On Thursday’s Radio Show…
July 17th, 2008, 6:00 PM EDT
• Meltdown on The View: Alan looks at the heated battle over the “N-Word.”
• Conservative Bruce Herschensohn, author of Above Empyrean: A Novel of the Final Days of the War Against Islamist Terrorism, debates the War on Terror with Alan.
• Deepak Chopra sits down with Alan to discuss the spiritual guru’s latest book, Why is God Laughing? They’ll be joined by humanitarian Fred Matser, author of Rediscover Your Heart.
I’m first, I’m first
July 17th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I am always second..Damn
July 17th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Awwwww
July 17th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Bob! where you been at, man? you haven’t been here all week.
i’m third!
July 17th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Cheryl
I have been out of town a lot because of work….
July 17th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
When is the new website going to be a fully operational? I have been listening to the podcast and keep hearing Alan say it is coming soon. Also whats ups with bringing Nugents song back for the free for all?
July 17th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
i’m glad you’re back man. i don’t know when the website will be up. alan’s just been stringing us along with a bunch of empty promises. where the new website is concerned, i feel like i’m having an affair with a married man, and he keeps telling me ’someday i’ll leave my wife, soon, i’ll do it soon’ and it never happens.
listen, the charger for my laptop broke the other night. so i’m using a slow, crap ass laptop. i’m grateful for it, but it’s SO SLOWWWWW. i’ll be on tonight, but my replies won’t be as quick and prolific as usual.
did you hear the finance guy on Coast last night? he’s all about doom and gloom. what’s your take on all that?
July 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
i hope he goes back to GNR, the nugent song is lame. doesn’t get me excited about FFA at all.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Cheryl, what did the finance guy say?
Check this out. I listen to a lot of news shows and only a blip of this on Lou Dobbs.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/05/business/tax.php
July 17th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
if you go to http://www.coasttocoastam.com you can look under the info for monday or tuesday’s show to get the guy’s name. i think it’s gerald something.
basically, he’s predicting further downturn in the markets and a depression worse than the Great Depression. he says the dollar will continue to fall, and that we will actually experience a global depression.
i didn’t pay a whole lot of attention to him. he’s been on before, and has always been quite depressing.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
O’la, Alan, you got hammered on T.V tonight . . . Wink*
July 17th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Elvis is great . . .
July 17th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Congress has utterly failed, BTW . . . Them apples are ROTTON!!! . . .
July 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Cheryl good to hear from ya….I am afraid that the economy is headed in a real bad direction.The average person isnt doing to well but the rich have become super rich in the last eight years….
July 17th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Sing it BIG E sing it…
July 17th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Yep, I’d say, Bush is a miserable failure as well. lol
July 17th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
good gawd, this guy is depressing too. As much as I hate pollyanna’s I think I need one right now. Or a shot of vodka or 2.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
i’m 2 steps ahead of you, LV. i’m on my second 24 litter of beer. i’m so hot, i poured it over ice, lol.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
is anyone listening to chopra? i think some of my leftover conservative christian sentiments are subconsciously advising me to tune out from his ‘demonic’ mumbo jumbo.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Hahah that’s good Cheryl. I been on a limoncello kick since I bought the bottle 2 days ago. It doesn’t take much to numb the mouth…my fingers too.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
This guy is killing me also LV…He actually has bored me to more tears than Ellis when he fills in for Alan..
July 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
is that who this is? I’ve decided to just let his sound be background noise.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
did he just write a book? he was on colbert too or stewart
July 17th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
geez, nevermind I just read the title of this hahahaha….I’m gonna get a drink, maybe I’ll cut or something hahahah
July 17th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
lol, u two are killing me.
i’ve never had limonchilla. that some kind of liquor?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I cant wait to hear who calls in to talk to this guy.If they are on his plane of thought they have to be on some heavy drugs.I would say the cowboy from hell from the other night may call in lol….
July 17th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
ahhhhhhhhhhh….I had to change the radio to music tell me when he’s gone…
Yeah this is what Danny DeVito made a fool of himself over on tv last year. It’s a lemon flavored liquor. Kinda tastes like lemonade syrup so its better over ice. Gets to ya fast.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
that cowboy the singer? Maybe Elvis needs to come back.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
LOL. be careful, we’ve got 2 hours left to go. i don’t want you to get loaded and miss the good calls.
chopra’s not bad, and he’s a very positive person, it’s just not really anything that i’m interested in.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
bob- how’s your little man doing?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
it’s his voice. I can’t take it, it’s not soothing to me so I can’t listen to his words. Listening to Stevie Wonder right now hahahahah
July 17th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
i’m off to do the dishes. be back in a bit.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
kk we’ll be here.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
He is doing well. How is your little one doing Cheryl?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
I heard on the podcast that Alan talked about you all on the blog the other night by name.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
um….what is this on the show tonight? Not that I need politics all the time, but this doesn’t feel right to me.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
LV I am watching the end of the Cardinal game until this guy is gone.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Bob, ya but I think we bored him. He didn’t get into it all that well.
DP, I couldn’t take it anymore so I’m listening to Foghat until Chopra gets interesting or gets off
July 17th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
LMAO, Bob. I keep checking back and he’s still droning on everytime. But the limoncello is kicking in.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Thank god this Bud Select is helping me get through this first hour LV.ha ha
July 17th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Bud? MGD gal myself.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Alright, Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Who are the cardinals playing against?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
That is good beer also Lv.I am from Missouri so you could understand why I am a loyal Bud drinker..
July 17th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
True. How do you feel about that rocky mountain piss water?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
The Padres Lv
July 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
hey cheryl… did you make that squash?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Not a big fan of Coors…taste like what you said..ha ha
July 17th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
awww, well the padres need to win ..
July 17th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Sierra Nevada, dudes.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
They lost sorry…
July 17th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Pale Ale
July 17th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Sky, sierra nevada what?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Bob - oh well they usually do hahaha
July 17th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
goshdarnit, this postin’ is way too fast for the likes of me
July 17th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale
July 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Oh. Never heard of it, is it a local beer?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I have learned to chicken scratch at a fast pace Sky..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I have had some Pale Ale…not bad
July 17th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
hmph. yeah, I guess it’s local. You can get it most anywhere in CA…
Hey, I can chicken scratch on PAPER.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
esta bien
July 17th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
LV just had some Ten years after flow through my IPOD..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Here we go a new hour…
July 17th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Never heard of ten years..music?
A new hour of scare the crap out of you talk.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Hmmm Sky I may have to try it.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Ten years later ..Song Id love to change the world…Yep this guy is playing the BOO card.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
OO Ok I’ve heard of them. Yeah big time boo card. I think right now we need to get our economy back on track, stop playing big brother to the whole world and wait for them to TRY to come to us again.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Funny he doesnt like that Vietnam is communist but I bet he doesnt mind that we trade with China..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Alan, look at the nighttime satellite view of Vietnam. Who’s dark and who has electricity?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
I agree LV…
July 17th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I hate that we trade with Communist China. I have my own little boycott of them going. As much as this economic “downturn” hurts I think it might have been good for us common folk. Now maybe we’ll get our priorities right.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Good debate tonight.Alan I think is not going after this guy for some reason.Colmes fire it up a little..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
LV I think when the average person gets a little hungry it makes this nation stronger.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
This Bruce Herschensohn guy is the man!
July 17th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Bob - sad it has to come to this though. This guy made me think and it was ruining my buzz. Well, they keep telling us 2012 is the end. Mayan calendar, Nostradamus, secret passages in the bible. Personally I won’t handle my finances like that. I’d rather leave it behind then find out Dec 22nd that it was wrong and now I have to beg on the streets.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
I wonder when we start the draft how many of these Rambo’s will stay on board…
July 17th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
2012 I have heard the same…Who knows what will happen..ha ha
July 17th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I don’t know Bob. I am honestly surprised at how many educated young people are enlisting against this jihad. They did start it. Bush screwed up or had another motive in mind when going into Iraq, but we couldn’t let 9/11 go without doing something.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Much better 2nd hour…
July 17th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Bob, who knows what will happen….very correct. I just know that living by Nellis AFB I will run towards the mushroom cloud. I do not want to live in a nuclear afterworld.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
this laptop is killing me. whenever i post a comment, it disappears. then i have to refresh fifty fucking times to get back to the page, and type my comment again.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
sky and directorpooh, glad to see you guys here tonight!
July 17th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Cheryl, that was happening to me earlier and I was on my desktop. I almost wrote to Alan asking why he was dissing me hahaha…it might be the site.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I was all for going to Afghanistan and still support that…Iraq though is something I cant agree with and had to send a brother off to go fight in..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
We need to take some decisive action in Afganistan and Pakistan….yes I think Iraq was revenge for GHW Bush’s sake.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
lol, LV. some guy made you think and ruined your buzz, huh? i know the feeling. :0)
if i don’t respond right away, don’t get offended folks. i may have just given up on my laptop. (in my case LV, it’s definitgely my computer that’s causing the problem)
July 17th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Is your brother back home?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Alan really liked his first hour guest’s…WOW
July 17th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Hahah this caller is great
July 17th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
yes he was their during the invasion…He always gave me trouble since I did four years in the Marines as an infantryman and he was in the Army reserves and had to go to war.ha ha
July 17th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Is Alan reading the Blog tonight?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Hahaha, well I’m glad he’s back safely..My nephew went over there in 91 for the scuds. I worried about him constantly.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Damn, I hate when I agree with Alan.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
I hope they all come home safe..I didnt see anywhere in the bible where he brought wrath on anyone…This caller needs a bible lesson..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Jesus that is…
July 17th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
that caller is probably holed up on a compound in the woods somewhere. Scary we share the streets with them.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Alan: Is there’s a full moon out tonight?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Are all these callers from the Rush Limbaugh cult..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
That caller was wacky…but honestly how is a late-term unborn child ANY different than a young infant?
There is absolutely *no* difference other than the location of the baby.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Alan I like your show very much, it is the best comedy show on the network however you need to do something about your saliva. It sounds like you speak with a mouse full of saliva or talking while eating.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:04 am
I was 3 weeks pregnant when I first saw my firstborn. She was bouncing around and is still like that. Conception is the beginning of life. However, if someone isn’t able to deal with another life to take care of or if they don’t feel that life begins at conception, it is not my decision to make for them. I do want a woman to be able to abort safely if that is her choice.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Cheryl get that damned thing working.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:05 am
I agree its a choice.I am not for abortion but I will leave that up to the women going through it..
July 18th, 2008 at 12:06 am
the women of the view are idiots. I used to like Whoopie until she joined them.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:07 am
My mother couldn’t vote either when she was of age…..
July 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Was that Richard or Richard?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I dont think the N word is good for any race….
July 18th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Somebody please call in and help Alan…
July 18th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Cheryl - Get a Mac
July 18th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Hahaha I like it when he gets bogged down with this…I think it happens on days he pisses off his staff.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Sometimes I think this a show with a liberal host and conservative callers..
July 18th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Where is Cheryl?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Hahaha it’s like some women want to “change” a gay guy.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Hey guys~
The View was great. My wife loves it. Elisabeth is actually Sean Hannity in his morning guise, after 6 she grows hair and howls uncontrollably as Sean is known to do…
Of course the word ni**er is different for blacks than whites, and it’s not the same as “spic” “wetback” or “Polak” it’s the word used by our grandfathers to torture, enslave, and oppress their grandfathers not too long ago.
Upset at the double standard? Tough. Life is a double (and triple, and quadriple) standard. There is no solid line to follow, we can only use our heads and try to navigate the treacherous waters of common sensibility.
Oh and I totally agree on choice. That’s between you and God. I love Jesus with all my heart, but I don’t recall him ever trying to set up a church state. He’ll do that later. Right now, it’s secular, it should be secular and it’s supposed to be secular.
Good to be back! Let’s play.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Cheryls computer is slow and/or messed up .. Cheryl - defrag it
July 18th, 2008 at 12:20 am
“Cheryl get that damned thing working.”
Cheryl - Get a Mac
Where is Cheryl?
you guys have no idea how much trouble i’m having with this thing. honestly, it’s ridiculous.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Hahaha good one Cheryl
July 18th, 2008 at 12:22 am
I hate it when I have to use my laptop. It’s ancient, gets overheated, loses it’s network connection. I usually give up when I have to use it.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Welcome back Cheryl…
July 18th, 2008 at 12:24 am
cheryl you must be running vista…
July 18th, 2008 at 12:24 am
the q word???? Oh Lord, take me now
July 18th, 2008 at 12:24 am
q word??
July 18th, 2008 at 12:27 am
lol LV, regarding the ‘q’ word. but i actually thought it was an excellent point.
you guys know how the caller called alan the crypt keeper?
let’s pretend that his wife was listening to the show tonight, and when he gets home tonight she teasingly calls him the crypt killer as she puts her arms around him and hugs him. same word, different context.
i don’t know how the n word morphed the way that it did. as i’ve alreay said, i’m black and i prefer not to use it. but there are blacks who do, and when they use it with each other it’s just different.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:27 am
I can understand that, using Wop or diego with another Italian is different than someone calling me a wop or a diego. I don’t like the n word personally, I prefer asshole.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:29 am
i’m black and i hate it…it was used against my grandparents in a way that i can’t imagine…and sorry, we can’t “take a word back”…using it in hip hop is wrong IMHO
July 18th, 2008 at 12:29 am
And it just sounds so lame whenever I yell “Wop please!”
July 18th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Now asshole….that’s a quality word there! Get the point across very quickly
July 18th, 2008 at 12:30 am
hahaha wop please…good one
remember, assholes come in all colors. It’s socially acceptable and can accurately describe someone.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:31 am
http://youtube.com/watch?v=69Z5AKVwCNk
July 18th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Their you go Cheryl..
July 18th, 2008 at 12:35 am
It’s strange though how acceptable that word is to our teenagers though. It doesn’t matter what race the kids are they all call each other that. It irks me but maybe it’ll help the older of us not take it so seriously. It just may go the way of the umm Q word
July 18th, 2008 at 12:35 am
John McCain is on the news right now.
“We have won in Iraq, we have succeeded and we are winning.”
I suppose if John becomes president he’ll pull out a little, and then push back in, once it seems ok, he’ll pull out a bit, but before it gets bad again, he’ll push in again.
Good for sex. Bad for war. Give it up John, this band-aid surge is just that.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:35 am
I never get a shout out from Alan lol
July 18th, 2008 at 12:35 am
“N” word have quite few meanings either for black or white people. I am white and Polak for that matter but I do have a few black friends that I can call niggers. I think that can be seen as a way of calling friends that way. For example Alan is my “nigga”.
The other thing is that this could also mean a “black man-person” from an African country Nigeria.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:36 am
It’s a personal thing Bob
July 18th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Why do we prosecute people who kill adults, using you guys’ logic? Shouldn’t we leave that up to God? Isn’t that a religious belief as well?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Different to me….I fully support the death penalty.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:37 am
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XSh4z4RZX9o
July 18th, 2008 at 12:38 am
LV Lives, you’re right.
When I was young, it was “N” this and “N” among my friends and people I just met with no qualms, uneasiness, or regret.
The older I got the less acceptable it became.
I’ll be 30 in several months and I wonder if the kids today talk as I did so many years ago. (Heh, not so many)
July 18th, 2008 at 12:38 am
man i miss 2pac….
July 18th, 2008 at 12:40 am
Noel, it amazes me. I look at them and say, you shouldn’t say that. I get told we all say it, it’s no big deal. We’ll see in about 10 years or so though. Once the meanness and hateful tones take effect with the words use.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Early-term abortion could be argued based on a “religious” argument. Late-term abortion is infanticide, folks.
If a baby can survive in the NICU then it’s a human being wherever it resides–including in the womb–and deserves protection.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Only thing Flap, is that if a woman is hell bent on ending the babys life (yes I believe its a baby from day one) I’d rather her do it safely than out of desperation.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Whos calling in to radio graffiti tonight???
July 18th, 2008 at 12:43 am
To the caller - it’s not in every state. Very few states consider the fetus a baby in murder/homicide/accident cases.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Not me Bob, I hate the busy signal
July 18th, 2008 at 12:44 am
I am suprised anyone outside of New York gets through..I have made it many times.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Flap, wait, I don’t think I said that correctly. You’re right in my opinion. Once that baby can live outside the womb it’s a life and should be considered so by any state law. But I think it’s a life from conception.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:46 am
bob- i think he found my analogy funny (the one i used way at the top to answer you about when the new site would be up)
nah, it’s an old family laptop, pooh. the charger to my other one broke. i don’t have 80 bucks to buy a new one, plus the battery to my car keeps dying so i have to pay for that first.
WHEN IT RAINS IT POURS
July 18th, 2008 at 12:46 am
http://youtube.com/watch?v=am3TuASrd_k
GOD bless the dead.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:46 am
it takes me like 10 minutes to post a comment. i’ve gotta figure something out. i can’t go without LL… OMG… i’m hyperventilating thinking about being without you guys… OMG OMG OMG OMG
July 18th, 2008 at 12:47 am
LV, I understand your perspective…and you made a good point. I just strongly disagree. But I wish liberals would be intellectually honest and say that (at least late term) it’s a human being.
The death penalty is legalized killing, and if we as a society think killing unborn children is acceptable let’s at least agree that a late-term abortion is terminating a human life instead of being intellectually dishonest and calling it a fetus, non-life, etc.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Well, I love drawing little political cartoons, and I haven’t started on this one yet but I want to show (1st panel) a black man getting whipped with the man behind him saying “Stop it Ni**er!”
Then (2nd panel) A black man getting turned away from a resturaunt by a guy saying “Stop right there ni**er”
And then the final panel (unless I add another) where to black guys are like “What’s up my ni**er?” and a white person coming up to them chastising “Stop saying that!”
I like the little point it illustrates that while people like “Elisabeth” from the View (who may be the whitest woman in the world) can’t understand why black people use it and find offense when whites do, there is a lot of local American history behind the motivation and affection the word holds for some and vile it represents for others.
Go Redskins.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:48 am
it’s interesting how diverse the opinions are on the n word in the black community. a lot of whites think that blacks all feel the same about it.
LV- i think it’s a life from conception.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Cheryl you and LV are regulars here on liberaland.I would be lost without you guys.Hey where is fury tonight?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:49 am
I think I will give radio graffiti a try tonight..
July 18th, 2008 at 12:49 am
I’m glad we agree, LV. 24-25 weeks…that’s the point of viability. After that I think the “only a religious opinion” perspective vanishes and it becomes a HUMAN RIGHTS issue and that baby must be protected.
But the argument could strongly be made that before 24 weeks the unborn child should be protected.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:50 am
calm down cheryl…ice cream and whiskey…makes everything better
July 18th, 2008 at 12:50 am
LV- i haven’t made up my mind on the death penalty yet. i’m kind of ambigious on it at this time.
bob- you gonna listen to coast tonight?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:51 am
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i0JV_zjOaWs
July 18th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Go Cowboys.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:51 am
bob- i don’t know where that pothead is. we i.m. each other on aol instant messenger (a.i.m.) and he hasn’t been online at all today.
i wonder where dave from kentucky is, too.
i emailed epiphany tonight, to check in with her and see if she’s okay. she might be super busy again, but this is the 3rd night she hasn’t been online with us.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:52 am
i don’t have any damned whiskey, and i drank all my beer.
AND I DON’T HAVE A CAR TO GET TO THE LIQUOR STORE!!!
LOL
July 18th, 2008 at 12:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQOr7V49RU
July 18th, 2008 at 12:54 am
i love it how conservatives want to dictate their views on all americans and yet they hate communists!
‘abortion is wrong!’
yes but that is your view, what right do you have to tell my wife or anyone else in this country that they should follow your views on abortion?
you wish liberals would be honest, look in the mirror because i wish conservatives like you would be honest for once in your life!
and on the issue of the death penalty, conservative bill oreilly is against it. :)
July 18th, 2008 at 12:54 am
Goodnight guys.
I’ll try to come in more often, I just do so much, I find little time (except when I’m speeding through the highway calling in the show) to contribute.
Check out my site!
Noelgood.blogspot.com
Be safe.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Bob, fury has been in n out, maybe I saw the name on another thread
but being a police person, I’d rather have some of the worst killed off than deal with them behind bars.
Child predators, and I mean the bad ones not in general. Murderers, I know it depends on the situation but a lot of people need to be put down, like a rabid dog.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:55 am
guys, tomorrow night let’s try to break 300 comments.
agreed?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:56 am
Louie the liberal…if you want to kill me, what right does our society have to prosecute you?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:56 am
The bad ones, not in general. I didn’t state my point very well.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:56 am
i cannot encourage anyone to drink, but for those of you who already choose to do so (safely and in your home) be sure to have your beverage of choice handy. (this is not a suggestion, and is no way affiliated or endorsed by Alan Colmes, the Alan Colmes program, or FOX news)
i’m insurance. felt the disclaimer was necessary.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:58 am
i meant i’m ‘in’ insurance.
are we on for tomorrow night homies?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:58 am
“Murder is wrong!”
So I and my wife can go murder people…what right do ANY of you have to say that it’s wrong?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:58 am
i’ll be here at some point tomorrow
July 18th, 2008 at 12:59 am
Cheryl couldnt get through to radio graffiti like used to..Switching over to coast to coast,,
July 18th, 2008 at 12:59 am
Hahah Cheryl, I was wondering what you meant. I should be here. No other plans for my life. Defrag that damn thing and get rid of some unnecessary programs so you can blog faster.
Flap, some criminals are not going to be rehabilitated…it’s not worth trying
July 18th, 2008 at 1:01 am
flap
when did i say i wanted to kill you?
LOL
July 18th, 2008 at 1:01 am
i’ve only called graffiti once, so i don’t have any tips on getting through. but when i called i asked aimee if i could hold for graffiti, and that’s what she did.
i’ll listen to coast for a bit.
pooh, you better be here tomorrow!
nite guys.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Nite
July 18th, 2008 at 1:03 am
‘murder is wrong’
Yes murder is wrong when your taking out a gun and you point it to another person and you pull the trigger
that is murder.
and abortion is not murder. maybe in your view it is but guess what?
you cannot enforce the law based on your ignorant view!
sorry, you want more government to regulate lives, i want less government on this issue.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:04 am
I have made it through many time’s for graffiti but I have noticed it is getting harder and harder to get through.I guess this show is getting more popular or everyone in New York is hoggin the phone lines..
July 18th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Nite LV sleep well…
July 18th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Coast to coast is LIVE!!!!
July 18th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Cheryl,
I am sure Alan is listening to coast to coast on the way home after his show…lol
July 18th, 2008 at 1:08 am
well, coast 2 coast is hard to resist. :0)
July 18th, 2008 at 1:11 am
It is ..at least the first hour Cheryl….
July 18th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Save my spot you all…dont know when I will be able to post again….
July 18th, 2008 at 1:14 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=695GyciDk24
July 18th, 2008 at 1:21 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXJ3S5V5shw
July 18th, 2008 at 1:25 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F7Q7BkAbCk
July 18th, 2008 at 1:38 am
I listened to your pathetic show Colmes, and noticed how you fumbled when asked if a white man can fly the flag of his heritage because it means something different to him. This just goes to prove that your so-called relativism is in fact authoritarianism because you make one set of rules for angry people who do nothing with their lives and then denigrate others just because your huckster constituents feel offended by being reminded that there was a time when their constant victimology was opposed and the great white race was allowed to openly take pride in its true accomplishments, not pathetic shortcuts of guilt and extortion. How do you communists sleep at night?
July 18th, 2008 at 1:43 am
i love how david duke loves to listen ‘communists’ radio stations..eh?
lol
July 18th, 2008 at 2:04 am
In my opinion, conservatives use the term “pro-life” incorrectly. I am so sick of the majority of conservatives using that term. You are not “pro-life” if you support capital punishment and war (as most conservatives do with the exception of many Catholics). I am sorry but it is not “pro-life” if that only applies to fetuses and not death row inmates and the 3 year old Iraqi child that just got his face blown off by a bomb (in a war we had absolutely no justification to start in the first place)! You either support life (ALL LIFE) or you don’t! I am a moderately liberal, Catholic, Democrat who does not fundementally support abortion (although I feel I have no right to judge a woman who bases her decision on what she feels is best for her life), I do not support capital punishment and I absolutely do not support war (particularly this war). I feel I have a right to call myself “pro-life”. I find it sickening to constantly hear conservatives spewing about abortion and the rights of an unborn child and they go on and on and on about it but don’t ever so much as mention or seem to give a fucking shit about all the innocent children that have been killed in this bullshit of a war!!!
Another term that is misused at times ~ “terrorist”. Excuse me? George Bush is a fucking terrorist! What else do you call invading a country that posed no serious threat to us, having the audacity and arrogance to call such a strike “shock and awe” (I am pretty sure the Iraqi’s were not in “awe”), killing thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and US soldiers, ignoring the UN (because you know ~ his arrogant ass is above them ~ we run the world)and have the rest of the world hate us even more then they already did. The man is a fucking terrorist ~ plain and simple. It still baffles my mind (if it wouldn’t be so sick it would actually be funny) how a president can be impeached over lying about a blow-job (because geez, that is an odd thing for a man to do) BUT we don’t impeach a president who misled this country and the rest of the world about the justifaction for a war which resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths!
What did this man go to war for? I will tell you want he went to war for: the threat to our energy security, the threat to our economic security (boy that one back-fired) and our desire to remain the country that runs the world! Of course he knew the average American would be to stupid to grasp that concept and even if they did most would not support that as a reason to go to war ~ so he lied by continually evoking fear into them: “look how scary and frightening the Iraqi’s are”, “they could wipe us off the map….somehow”!! And he is starting the same bullshit with Iran!
July 18th, 2008 at 2:42 am
The “sons of liberty”?
What’s next? Bring back the gestapo or the brown shirts?
Nothing changes. Human nature is the only constant. “David Duke” is proof of that. They’re like weeds. You spray ‘em and you think they’re gone but then almost overnight they pop up again and you have to spray ‘em one more time.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:20 am
I don’t care what you sick liberals all think, you can criticize me but you know I am right. When people like me were running this country crime was nonexistent, everyone could make a decent living for his wife and spend time with his children regardless of his education level, and all neighbors looked after one another. And there was no need for this abortion murdering business because people knew that a child is a gift from god and their personal responsibility, and regarded it as a privilege and not a burden because family came first and was the greatest thing in life.
Now no working man can get a job because you’d rather give it to an illegal alien or a convicted felon, you want the population to be disarmed so the thieves who can’t steal using your communist lawyer groups cut out the middle man, children are bringing guns to schools because you have descrated the culture of life while teaching them there are no consequences for bad action and have completely removed the all loving lord from the classroom, mostly because the taxes are so ridiculous a man can’t spend time at home working multiple jobs if he bothers to be a man at all and raise a family since you’ve created a culture of reckless selfishness. I hope you’re happy what you’ve done to this mighty nation and reap the rewards of chasing god away. Don’t expect me to help you dig yourself out of your communist hellhole pit, we’ll sit back while you abort your children and stop having them because of your distorted view of the holy sacrament of marriage and then finally realize, probably too late, that eradicating the borders has completely destroyed property values, emergency rooms, and the quality of decent education.
And then I’ll be back to stand over your diseased and starved corpse after you’ve been robbed and murdered by those who betrayed you the same way you betrayed the real Americans. And the true American nation will rise again. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
July 18th, 2008 at 6:35 am
Now, I’m sorry. but this david duke is a stealth libral, just trying to make conservatives look silly.
Dishonest, but brilliant strategy!!
July 18th, 2008 at 7:05 am
Damn, I missed all the fun….
July 18th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Yep, my thoughts exactly. Nobody could possibly be stupid enough to feel that those thoughts are actually rational ones. It’s either what OldLefty suggested or he’s just plain ass crazy!
July 18th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Danielle, you are out of your gord! “Pro-life” applies to purposeful murdering of innocent life. In other words, conservatives (and most rational people) believe innocent children have the right to not be slaughtered. If you will not “judge” those who commit abortions, why will you “judge” those who murder infants or toddlers? Should a mother and father be able to kill their 3 year old because it’s “best for their lives”? Why not? How is it different? A birth canal conveys humanity? If you are intellectually honest, there is no substantive difference when it comes to late-term abortion versus infanticide. Absolutely none.
Capital punishment is an area where killing is sanctioned by the government based on a heinous, brutal crime committed by the criminal. Rapes, stabbing, pickax murderings, dismemberments, pretty evil stuff. You may or may not agree with it; I think in some cases it is absolutely necessary but it is admittedly misused and abused.
Relating to war, how many German children were killed by our bombs in WWII? Should we have not fought against the Nazis based on that? All war is horrible. Perhaps this war is not justified, but to say “children die so we cannot fight a war” would mean you’d be speaking German, Japanese, or a combination of the two. Children die during drunk driving accidents. Can we not consume beer or drive vehicles?
Saying “you either support all life or you don’t” is a false dichotomy. That’s like me saying, “You must support ALL tax increases or you must be against ALL tax increases.” I support innocent human life. I don’t necessarily support guilty life, depending. Tell the police to “support life” as they are being gunned down by a criminal. Would that wash? I don’t like war, and I don’t like Americans dying one bit.
You make assumptions about Iraq not posing a threat. Saddam Hussein killed a lot more people than we ever killed. In addition, many of the deaths are based on insurgent attacks. First of all, Clinton lied under oath. It wasn’t about a blow job. I actually don’t think he should have had to testify. Then the whole thing would not have been an issue. Once he lied, though, everything changed. “Misled” is the wrong word relating to Bush. Bush, you could argue, misinterpreted a complicated threat. Should he have interpreted it better? Perhaps, but things changed post 9/11.
When Iran lobs a nuke or a dirty bomb into NYC someday, the first response will be “Bush provoked it.” No, Bush is trying to prevent it. Whether he is going about it the right way is certainly up for debate. He didn’t LIE, though.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Flap:
Bush DID lie. He lied about Iraq having WMD’s that led to our occupation of that country.
http://whitehouser.com/war/cia-confirms-bush-wmd-lie/
You are assuming that Iran has a dirty bomb that they will unleash on the U.S. And Bush is trying to prevent it how?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1563293/Bush-setting-America-up-for-war-with-Iran.html
July 18th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Oh my god flap; I will defintely respond to this later tonight. No time right now.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Sometimes I think this a show with a liberal host and conservative callers..
by Bob the union man July 18, 2008 at 12:14 am
Michael Medved is probably the closest to the opposite.. a conseravtive host with many Libereal callers.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Oh my god flap, am I fired up. I will answer all the questions you have asked me and trust me I will be asking you some as soon as I get a chance to type up my reply later tonight.
July 18th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Just, please try to refute my main point:
There is no substantive difference when it comes to late-term abortion versus infanticide. Absolutely none.
AND, if I were boss, I would easily agree to stop all executions if all late-term abortions stopped.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Flap,
Am I off my gord? No, I think perhaps you’re off your’s. Again let me make myself clear on my position regarding abortion: As a Catholic,I do not fundamentally support abortion. But I’m not allowed to “not judge” women that chose to have one based on a personal decision? Flap, I am going to go out on a limb here; based on the fact that you are a man I am going to assume that you have never been raped and impregnanted by your rapist ~ or ~ that you have never been in a position where you were pregnant and discovered you had a medical condition where you were forced to make a choice between the life of your unborn child or whether your small children would be motherless. Am I saying I am not going to judge these women ~ your damn right I am not going to judge them and neither should you! Now flap, do you really need me to explain to you what the difference is between these situations and a parent deciding to kill their 3 year old child because having them around really wasn’t all that convenient?
Also, there are some subjects you can obviously go back and forth on and there are some subjects you just can’t.
Tax Cuts: “If I believe in this tax cut, then I have to believe in all tax cuts”.
- That doesn’t make any sense.
Racism: “I am a racist some of the time, but not all of the time”.
- That doesn’t make any sense.
The Issue of Life: “I proudly uphold the sanctity of life; but not this person’s, this person’s or this person’s.
- THAT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE!
So your argument for supporting capital punishment is because it is legal? Unless I missed something, the last time I checked Roe v Wade had not been overturned. And can you honestly tell me that there has never been one person on death row who was not guilty of the crime they were convicted of? Furthermore, why am I not allowed to judge a woman who chooses to make the painful decision to abort her unborn child so her small children do not have to grow up motherless any differently then I judge a woman who kills her 3 year old child out of convenience (according to you “there is no substantive difference between the two ~ absolutely none”) ~ but apparently you are allowed to pass different judgments on the reasons why some “criminals that commit heinous, brutal crimes” should die and why other’s shouldn’t. What is the difference between one criminal that commits a heinous brutal crime and another criminal who commits a heinous brutal crime? I would think that you would argue that there was “no substantive difference between the two ~ absolutely none”.
Before I clarify my “I don’t support war” comment regarding supporting life let me explain this (and I apologize in advance because I know am going to make this way more complicated then I need to but I would never have thought I would have to explain that I do understand why a cop needs to defend theirself when a criminal is going to shoot them, it is so simplistic I don’t even know how to word it). I obviously know that at times people are going to die based on decisions that we make; at times there is no other alternative. There is a difference between choosing to abort a child or not to abort a child as well as choosing to kill a death row inmate or to not kill them (obviously in each of these two cases there are two different options ~ if you pick one - a person lives, if you pick another - a person dies). This is of course vastly different then situations such as a cop encountering a criminal ready to kill him ~ obviously either this person is going to die or that person is going to die ~ choosing life is not an available option. God I can’t believe I even had to explain that. War, even though not as cut and dry can at times (and I stress at times) provide similar circumstances, where it’s either these people are going to die, or these people are going to die. Again choosing life is not an available option. So it is therefore absolutely assanine to even think I do not understand the reason or support the reason why we found ourself with no choice but to fight WWII. This my friend is vastly different then what George Bush based his decision to invade Iraqi on!!!
Well you know what I think he based his decision on from my previous e-mail: our energy security, our economic security and our ability to remain the globe’s unquestioned hegemon. But even the bullshit reasons he presented doesn’t make sense and the reasons kept changing as the lies and manipulations were uncovered. I lost track of the reasons he gave because he changed them so many times! And flap, the man LIED and MISLED ~ I have no idea how you can even possibly say he didn’t. I do remember the initial reason: “We have proof that Iraqi has WMD’s” BIG FAT LIE! In fact we had proof they did not, Bush knew about it before invading Iraqi, swept the intelligence under the rug ~ keeping it from the American public, the Senate, even Tony Blair and Colin Powell (both of whom he made look like complete asses)~ I classify this as lying and misleading flap! One of the latter reasons given for the justification of war was: “Saddam Hussein is a horrible dictator who has oppressed and murdered the Iraqi people” and then later added some bullshit line like “surely Democrats would not agree that the Iraqi people should have to live like that”. Was Saddam Hussein a horrible dictator? Absolutely! But unfortunately, he doesn’t even come close to the top of the list of the world’s most horrible dictators. Did he murder and torture many Iraqi people? Absolutely! (I feel the need to point out that Reagan sold him the gas that murdered many of them ~ I didn’t bring this up to be nasty but I know if it was a Democrat that would have sold it to him, we would have never heard the end of it). Him using this as a reason to invade Iraqi simply makes no sense. Yes this man did horrible, horrible things to the Iraqi people but ya know what it doesn’t even begin to touch the horrible things that the people of Darfur and Tibet have been subjected to. Yet he felt no need to step up to the bat there. Why? Oh wait, silly me ~ I forgot they don’t have oil! I could go on and on about this all night, but I still stand by the fact that the man is a fucking terrorist, a war criminal and should have been impeached. Speaking of war criminals; where in the hell is Rumsfeld? Boy his ass disappeared real quick didn’t it? You literally don’t even hear his name mentioned. It’s like he disappeared off the face of the earth. Did the Bush administration assasinate him or something?
Regarding Bill Clinton, I will always stand by the fact that I believe and always will that he was one of the best president’s this country has ever had. That does not mean that I approve of the fact that the man commited adultery and lied under oath about it. But really how did the fact that he lied (even under oath) negatively effect this country? Now compare it to the effect of George Bush’s lies. It reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw, “Nobody died when Clinton lied”.
My last point which I will take great pleasure in making! Oh this is classic. Flap, you just proved my point of George Bush evoking fear into people to scare them enough to believe his lies by your comment, “when Iran lobs a nuke or dirty bomb into NYC someday”. What the hell is with the fearful world of conservatives? So how many hours a day does your average conservative spend cringing beneath the bed, quaking in fear over how Mighty Iran might destroy us? A lot probably. If your average conservative watches Fox News - which of course they do - they hear things. Like when one network anchor recently asserted that scary, scary Iran has a missle which (exact words)”could actually hit - I think - some military installations in the United States”. Run for the hills!
But no. Iran has missles that could hit U.S. bases in the Mideast. But the distance from Tehran to NYC is over 6,000 miles, and Iran has nothing with that range. False alarm.
But, you know - maybe! It could happen! And so, even after Iraqi, conservatives want to shoot first, think later.
The fabrication that Iran is an existential threat to the US is an assanine statement. We spend ten times more on our military than all Middle Eastern countries combined. To the extent that Iran may be aiding insurgents in Iraq, yes, Iran poses a threat to US forces, US interests and Iran could fund terrorist attacks against the US (and might, if we attack them first). But this idea that Iran could destroy us is simply ridiculous.
So as in Iraq, the threat is hyped so to frighten the average American ~ “look how scary the Iranians are!”, “they could wipe us off the map..somehow”!
So beware my follow Americans, George Bush is already setting the stage for justification to strike Iran and flap just proved that conservatives are already buying into it.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:12 am
It reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw, “Nobody died when Clinton lied”.
No one died in the Balkins? No one died in Sudan? No one died in 9/11?
The fabrication that Iran is an existential threat to the US is an assanine statement.
It’s simply a matter of fact. Iran has stated it’s their goal to destroy us.
They have Hezbellah all over our country, all over Mexico, all over Central America, all over Venzeulla.
Iran and North Korea have been co-developing both ballistic missiles and fission bombs.
North Korea setup a nuclear facility in Syria.. a facility that we somehow didn’t see but Israel did.
Where else might there be reactors,…. are there any in South America? Have we looked ? I doubt we have.
Is Hezbellah setting up missile sites south to our border? Have we looked?
Mexico is getting increasingly lawless as drug militias are spreading instablity.. drug militias allied with Islamic groups.
These are all facts.. the question is why. Why is Iran doing all this? Because they have fondness for hispanic people?
I repeat these statements that come from Iran. There is no reason to doubt them.
1
Commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, said on state television. “God willing, the 21st century will see the defeat of the U.S. and the Zionists, and the victory of freedom-seeking nations of the world. The final goal of the [1979] revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdi”.
2
The [Iranians] President’s chief strategist, Hassan Abbassi, has come up with a war plan based on the premise that “Britain is the mother of all evils” – the evils being America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the Gulf states and even Canada, all of whom are the malign progeny of the British Empire. “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization,” says Mr Abbassi. “There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them… Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover.”
3
The IRGC chief warned that Iran was seeing through “critical days” and “fate-determining years”. He described the purpose of Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution as the “Salvation of Muslims” from the hands of the “oppressive U.S. and Israel”.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:23 am
So what do you propose we do Vince? Bomb Mexico, Central America, Venezuela? And let’s not forget the middle east and Europe where many Muslims have migrated due to this war.
If you think nuking Iran is going to solve the problem, you are sadly mistaken. it will be the eqivalent of throwing gasoline on a raging fire.
I know you conservatives consider me naive, but I believe there is a diplomatic solution to every problem and mass genocide should be an absolute last resort.
July 19th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I know you conservatives consider me naive, but I believe there is a diplomatic solution to every problem and mass genocide should be an absolute last resort.
You’re more than naive… you’re basically in fantasy land. How much more plain does Iran have to make it to you? They are not negiotating anything. And if they do decide to humor the stupid , they only do so to their own benefit by buying themselves time.
They say this openly. I have provided many links, even to Iranian TV where they say they just jerk the West around because the West is stupid and will fall over themselves to “talk”.
You’re an ignorant, arrogant person, you deny the truth, you ignore what the Iranians say. You act as if just because you “believe” there is a diplomatic solution, that Iran shares your cotton-candy way of thinking. They don’t. You’re a Non-Muslim.. to them you’re not even worthy to live let alone someone they have to negiotate with. And yet you think if we beg them enough something might change. They view such weakness as a provocation. They view that weakness as a sign that they need to push harder.. that they can crush us.
They’re not Utopian Westerners.. They’re Twelver Shiia Muslims , they have thier own way of thinking, their own culture, their own goals, their own agenda.
They do not revolve around your wishful thinking.
Get it?
No you don’t.
July 19th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
So you still haven’t proposed what you think we should do. Should we bomb Iran out of existence? And then go after Mexico? South America? Europe?
If you think I’m an ignorant, arragant person because I prefer peace to war and killing, then I prefer to be known as such.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
And God help us if everyone begins to think like you.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
The best thing to do would be to destroy Iran’s gasoline refinary (I believe they still only have one) and blockade all gasoline shipments to Iran.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Take the Pew News Quiz:
http://pewresearch.org/newsiq/
This is my result:
Here’s Your Score: You correctly answered 12 of the 12 possible questions along with approximately 3% of the public. You did better than 97% of the general public.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
The best thing to do would be to destroy Iran’s gasoline refinary (I believe they still only have one) and blockade all gasoline shipments to Iran.
And if Iran retaliates? Russia and China will back Iran in a war with the U.S.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Well maybe we can get General Wesley Clark back in command, then he can order NATO to attack Russian troops like he did during the unlawful war against Serbia.
July 19th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Oh you mean like Bush attackd Iraq without provocation?
July 20th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Vince,
Like I said….the fearful world of conservatives…what a bizarre world it is!
If crazy people say things, that means it’s true (despite the fact that it’s not even possible)?
My schizophrenic neighbor thinks he’s Jesus Christ and that he was one time married to Queen Elizabeth. So because he said it, it’s true?
You refer to comments like “Iran can destroy the US” and “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of the Anglo-Saxon civilization” as “facts” and “no reason to doubt them”. These comments are made by insane, lunatics (like Abbasii)and are also not possible to accomplish.
I am assuming since you believe such things can occur then you have developed in your mind a possible theory / strategy exactly how Iran can destroy the US and eliminate the entire Anglo-Saxon community? I am really curious to know what you think this theory / strategy may be. Could you provide an example?
I try really hard to be open-minded and see other’s point of view, but Vince I am really starting to think you are on LSD and are hallucinating.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Danielle,
Thanks for the reply. Feel free to continue the discussion but you don’t have to. I am too long-winded but I enjoy the discussion. You were very civil and I appreciate it. :)
Again, please tell me the substantive difference between late-term abortion versus infanticide. Logically, you are saying that a birth canal conveys humanity and rights. Please…because I’m male I can’t say “killing is wrong”? How about this scenario: have you ever been an unmarried father whose girlfriend decides to kill his child versus have the baby? Is that fair?
No, please explain how late-term abortion is substantively different than killing your 3-year-old child. An abortion is supposedly YOUR body and YOUR nutrients, and a 3yo is living in YOUR house using YOUR resources. There is no difference. Humanity is humanity. Medical instances/emergencies where abortion is necessary (versus C-section delivery) is a nice strawman argument to keep late-term abortion on demand legal. There are no instances. Ron Paul himself, an OB/Gyn and someone who is pretty clear about hating government invading our private lives and affairs, is staunchly against abortion. You know why? It’s not a left-right political issue. Late term abortion is no different than taking a young infant and killing it. It’s murder. If you think killing a baby is okay in selected instances, say that. But I tire of the code words for killing your own child.
Again, code words about “painful decisions” and “choice.” Danielle, you can come over to my house and “choose” to make the “painful decision” of terminating MY life with a gun. That is your CHOICE, but purposeful killing of innocent human life is morally wrong and should be forbidden by law. Late-term abortion is killing a human life. I think science pretty well backs up that a birth canal does not convey humanity. Placental separation from a mother does not convey human life. We can argue details but 24 weeks…viability outside the womb…should pretty much be the standard. I think the argument easily can be made scientifically that human life exists WAY before that, but an abortion (with a few exceptions) after that should be classified as infanticide. Okay, how about partial-birth abortion? Are you against that, and why or why not? If a partial-birth abortion is botched, can the abortion “doctor” still stab scissors into the baby’s brainstem? Is it okay since an abortion was being performed? How about a NICU baby? Can he/she be unplugged and/or killed? Is that substantively different?
Now, early in the first trimester I will AGREE with you libs that it’s more of a religious issue. It’s hard to definitively say, “This is a human life.” Again, the argument can be strongly made that it certainly is, but it’s more of a grey area. But I cannot for the life of me understand how you libs or ANYONE can begin to defend late-term abortion as a law. Roe v. Wade vis-a-vis late-term abortion is Dred Scott II. It’s a crappy Supreme Court decision that takes a group of people and DEHUMANIZES them. In that case, black people. In this case, unborn children.
You yourself said you can’t be “pro-life” referring to abortion but against life in other places. Then you turn around and say that you are essentially for a woman’s RIGHT to kill her unborn child. Where is your consistency, based on your own standards? I am saying that INNOCENT life should be protected. Why doesn’t that make any sense? You are engaging in a “false dilemma” fallacy where one has to choose to be FOR everything or AGAINST everything. Life is sacred: but if someone is coming at me with a gun, about to shoot me, are you saying I have no right to defend myself? Of course I have that right. Forget about this war, but war in general. Do we as a country have a right in certain cases to defend ourselves if people are trying to attack and/or kill us? Of course we have that right. My point is that individual people do not have a right to purposefully kill innocent human life. That goes in war, abortion, wherever…and I’m not talking about accidental war casualties. There were tons in Germany in WWII.
I said that I was not really strongly for capital punishment because it is misapplied. We’re talking about morality, not legality. I don’t necessarily think capital punishment is immoral, by the way. If someone is brutally hacked to death, or raped and then killed, I don’t necessarily think life imprisonment is a proper punishment. That criminal is not “innocent life.” And you are feeding me back what I already stated: capital punishment is misapplied sometimes, and that’s horrendous. So if it is very error-prone then that’s a problem. Again, I’m not staunchly in favor of the death penalty, but generally I’m for it. Should Timothy McVeigh have been executed? As to capital punishment and who dies, we make judgments ALL the time on jail sentences. Why should some murderers get life and some get 20 years and others die? It’s all degree of punishment. Capital punishment and abortion are completely different issues to me. We are talking about whether a convicted criminal should be punished with death versus whether a late-term unborn child deserves death based on nothing.
You are admitting, Danielle, that there are circumstances in which war is justified. That destroys your “you have to be all for life or all against it” argument. War kills people. I’m not saying that THIS war is justified, but the argument that war kills people therefore we cannot fight a war is totally illogical. “We have proof that Iraqi has WMD’s” BIG FAT LIE! In fact we had proof they did not, Bush knew about it” I don’t know how you are so confident that Bush “knew” all these things. Misreading intelligence versus lying are completely different things. I won’t even argue the details about Iraq…I go back and forth on it. But I don’t see how Bush can be said to have “lied” when much of the intelligence pointed to WMD’s. If you were Bush, would you have ignored it? Assume that Hussein is up to his old tricks and then somebody gets nuked? Can we necessarily afford to take these chances?
“What the hell is with the fearful world of conservatives?” Are you serious, Danielle? Do you remember September 11, 2001? Was that fearmongering? I don’t live in a big city, so I don’t have to worry. The bastions of liberalism are the places that are vulnerable. It’s easy to sit back behind a comfortable computer and not realize that halfway around the world, there are people that would have no qualms with blowing you up just because of where you live and who you are. Luckily that has not happened yet. Would you have poo-pooed the Nazi and Japanese threat in WWII? Iran may or may not have the ability to cause worldwide chaos. I honestly don’t know enough about it. Vince seems to, though…might want to listen to another POV instead of toeing the DNC line.
My father uses a great saying that is pertinent: “Nothing succeeds like success.” As long as we don’t get attacked, we’re safe. When we do, just like on 9/11, people’s jaws drop and the world changes. I don’t want to see liberals and conservatives alike jumping from buildings again during morning coffee. Not in America.
July 21st, 2008 at 12:59 am
Flap,
We obviously just have a difference of opinion. Although I do not support abortion and do not like to see abortions occur any more than you do, I am able to apply reasoning and empathy to the issue. Regarding abortion based on medical situations; if it would be a late term pregnancy and the child could live outside the womb at that point then of course I think that should happen. But if it is an early term abortion and someone was faced with that decision that’s a different story. Personally if I was ever faced with that decision, although it would probably be one of the hardest decisions in my life and one I would feel extreme guilt over; I can honestly say I would not allow my 8 year old son to grow up motherless. Now if people want to think I was a horrible person and a murderer than I guess that is what they would just have to think.
Regarding situations of self defense or justified war, I think I explained how I felt about that. Perhaps my wording was confusing?
Again, we just simply disagree about George Bush knowing the information of Iraq not having WMD beforehand. You say he possibly mis-interpreted that information. I say he lied and mislead. I base this on the fact that he sat down with the person provided the US intelligence information as well as was shown the intelligence information conceding that Iraq had no WMD. Unless the man is unable to read or deaf; I do not understand how he could leave that meeting misinformed. His decisions were unjustified, counterproductive, costly and dangerous.
Should he choose to begin a preemptive war against Iran it to would be unjustified, counetrproductive, costly and more dangerous than I care to imagine. Iran poses no immenent threat which is the only justification for a preemptive strike both morally and as sanctioned under UN international war law (which he ignored in Iraq, therefore making him guilty of committing war crimes). I have absolutely zero respect for that man but even I didn’t think that he would be ignorant enough to ignore the mistakes that lead to the nightmare of Iraq. It appears as though he is willing to make those same mistakes (but the consequences will be a millions times worse) in Iran. Like I said before the mentality is: shoot first, think later.
July 21st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
The people who claim Iran poses no imminent threat do so solely on their own self-delusions and willful thinking. Nothing will convince them otherwise.
July 21st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Again, we just simply disagree about George Bush knowing the information of Iraq not having WMD beforehand. You say he possibly mis-interpreted that information. I say he lied and mislead. I base this on the fact that he sat down with the person provided the US intelligence information as well as was shown the intelligence information conceding that Iraq had no WMD. Unless the man is unable to read or deaf; I do not understand how he could leave that meeting misinformed. His decisions were unjustified, counterproductive, costly and dangerous.
Democrats Lied… People Died:
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
“This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” — From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002
“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
“Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people.” — Tom Daschle in 1998
“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“I share the administration’s goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction.” — Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
“Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” — Bob Graham, December 2002
“Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction.” — Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
“We have known for many y