I Beat The Ampersand!
July 10th, 2008, 7:29 PM EDT
No matter how effective I am in any given segment, it’s not good enough for the posters at DailyKos. Although Diego was kind enough to write a post called “Colmes Nails Giuliani”, along with a transcript of our discussion on oil, the the comment section is less than glowing:
- Colmes was actually mildly effective in an argument? I thought that was against his contract.
- How much does it pay anyway, being a professional doormat?
- “The Milquetoast Hour with Alan Colmes.”
- First time I’ve ever read the words “Colmes” and “nails” next to each other.
- It occurs frequently, but in reverse order
- “Colme’s nails ….tightly clenched Hannity’s buttocks as he reached down to kiss tha ass of the man that allows him to appear on television”
- Alan Colmes’ Testes Dropping?
He must be getting tired of being upstaged by the ampersand. - Shows just how weak of A Politician Guiliani is when ALAN FRIGGEN COLMES nailed him LOL
- Alan Colmes is like Beating the Start Screen of a video game.
- I never watch Hannity & Colmes precisely because of Colmes.
Losing an argument with Alan Colmes is like losing a debate with an empty chair
I have often commented on how conservatives rally around their own, no matter how far off the beam they are (witness the embracing of McCain) while liberals eat their young. Perphaps if I shoot each conservtaive who comes on our show and render them vegetables? Would that be enough?
There’s a reason that I’m not a “Kossack” That place is almost like a cult and most of it’s readers are just as bad as Rush’s dittoheads.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I personally like the Daily Kos. It is insightful and informative. But I also like Alan Colmes. He is very adept at holding his own.
But how can he converse with Turdblossom while maintaining a straight face?
July 10th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Alan…there are many of us that cheer you on. You are a gentleman and scholar and conduct yourself well despite the bruising criticism from those who wouldn’t hold a candle to you. Carry on sir!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
So? What do they want? Maybe Mike Malloy?
I used to listen to Malloy some on XM. Man, he was crazy but maybe he’d be more to your critics liking.
You really should talk to Rupert about changing the show title to “Colmes and Hannity”.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Those winers prefer someone like Mike Malloy the passive wimp.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Alan you did great with Giuliani last night.
I did find it funny though the comment that “beating Alan Colmes is like beating the Start screen of a video game”. That was pretty good, haha.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Liberals eat their young?
I would image when liberals eat their young is when the so-called liberal host sucks at being a liberal. Which explains you Alan Colmes.
After watching H&C since the 2004 election, that show should be called:
‘Hannity & Dick Morris & Newt Gingrich & Karl Rove & sometimes Alan Colmes’
Morris and Gingrich and Rove are on every other day on that stupid H&C which explains the reason why I stopped watching the show and stopped listening to the Alan Colmes radio show that is on at 3:00 AM. Its a good thing Foxnews gave you that show on to express liberal thoughts in the middle of the night, eh?
That must prove that foxnews if fair & balanced, right? yea right!
Also which i am ok with having every single former GOP candidate who has now become a Foxnews correspondent after they lost their bid for the GOP nomination.
Also which i guess i am ok with having every single negative story concerning a democrat being displayed on H&C night after night.
Even also having republican and hannity controling the agenda on that H&C and colmes having no word on what the stories are going to be on the show…
Also i am ok which having Robert Kennedy jr critizing Colmes for being the tv pinata on H&C..
I am ok with that..
but the idea of going to DailyKos and critize those who critize you as ‘eating their young’ is a disgrace!
You are no different than Bill Oreilly when he slams DailyKos and not a single story from Oreilly, NOR COLMES on all the hatred by the far right neocons on far right blogs…
but Colmes, liberals rally around Keith Olbermann because he has balls unlike you Colmes to say what he wants, because he has his own show unlike you colmes, you are very carefull what to say because you could get fired and at your hate 57, you still want $$$ from foxnews for your job as a pinata..
COLMES, LIBERALS DONT EAT THEIR YOUNG, THEY CRITIZE WEAK SOBs LIKE YOU THAT ARE SELL-OUTS PRETENDING TO BE LIBERALS !
CRITIZING LIBERALS FOR CRITIZING YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE WEAK, NOW THAT IS EATING YOUR YOUNG!
ps.A real liberal would stand up against the tape released by foxnews on Jackson’s comments on obama and would ask serious questions like:
‘what is the real reason this tape was released?’
instead of:
‘its not the issue of being recorded, but the comments said’
I WANT ALL LIBERALS WHO VIEW THIS BLOG TO REALIZE THIS!
alan colmes is a sell-out and a disgrace!
Its ok to leave comments on this blog but at least learn to know that you do not have no respect for a weak sob who on this story is critizing other liberals of critizing them and accusing them of eating their young!
BUT COLMES, I MAY WATCH YOUR SHOW AND LISTEN TO YOUR RADIO SHOW BUT NOW I KNOW, I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR YOU AND IN MY EYES YOU ARE NOT DIFFERENT THAN SEAN HANNITY AND BILL OREILLY.
but since you said you do it for the money, to you it doesnt matter as long as you get the $$ to being a sell out fake liberal on foxnews.
Keep that money handy Colmes because to you that money is more important than having fans, but now i know and you lost a fan like me. You are no liberal. I will count the days until you admit your a fake.
your a disgrace…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I’m also not a fan of the Daily Kos. I like Media Matters though.
The hard left is never happy with anything, you would have had to hit every guest with a club to satisfy that bunch.
I consider myself a bit of a moderate which I think alan is also, one of the few moderates on the radio.
Not Moderate in your veiws but in your intervewing skills you let people finish and you listen.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Hey Louie, try to hit that shift key when you type “i.”
Example I.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Do yourself a favor Colmes and quit and disappear from public life. No one knows who you are anyway.
Recommend Bob Beckel to replace you, at least hannity is afraid of him, instead of laughing and throwing pens at you colmes.
maybe then i will have some respect for you.
but i know you will never do that, because $$ is more important to you than anything in your life.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
thanks dave ‘i’ will do that…sometime in the near future…
:)
July 10th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
@Louie
Do us all a favor and disappear from this blog.
Never had a problem with you before but your tirade and rude comments are just ridiculous.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Bottom line, Alan…from my perspective as a right-winger you give progressives/liberals a good name. You present your argument intellectually and vigorously.
Funny how liberals complain about you and then usually in the same breath talk about how much they despise Hannity and his debating style or tactics. Many conservatives, on the other hand, vehemently disagree with you but find you a good representative for your ideology. I know you get a lot of hate mail but I still think you probably have more conservative fans than you might think.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Louie…for somone who thinks I should disappear, you certainly spend a lot of time here responding to me.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Louie~ why are you so upset? you’ve never posted with such a pissed off tone before.
what is an ampersand? i looked it up on m-w.com, and didn’t understand the definition.
a lot of these comments are really f’ing funny.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
wow alan is not responding to what i said?
and is changing the topic?
what are the odds.
And a lot of time responding to you?
its my 4th comment on your blog this month! nice try though…
why dont you just respond to what i said Alan instead of changing to the topic?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I know Cheryl….
i am just so upset of the typical smearing of democrats foxnews does everyday!
and then colmes has the nerve to say…
‘oh well democrats should come on foxnews!’
for what?
to smear them and record them when they don’t know they are being recorded and then making it into a story to smear them and obama?
or how about colmes on here attacking other liberals like you and me, of eating their young because they critize Colmes for being weak?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Cheryl: ampersand is
&
It’s basically the symbol for the word “and.”
As in, Hannity & Colmes.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ampersand
am·per·sand Audio Help [am-per-sand, am-per-sand] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a character or symbol (& or ) for and: Smith & Jones, Inc.
Huh?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
I have often commented on how conservatives rally around their own , no matter how far off the beam they are (witness the embracing of McCain) while liberals eat their young.
That’s interesting. A common complaint I hear from the think-tanky conservatives is how hard it is to get a activisty-type movement going with conservatives becausse they’re all so darned individualistic it’s like trying to herd cats.
And this super-long primary season I saw a fracturing amounst conservatives that I never saw before. The ones who supported Thompson hated the Romney Supporters who hate the Huckabee Supporters (who so deserved it) who hated the Guilani Supporters… all of whom hated McCain.. and all of whom all would have gambled their entire families away to state that McCain would never be the nominee.
And now he is.
And we still dont like him. He’s hopeless.
The only thing he has going for him is that his opponent is a totally unqualified Marxist… and we will vote for John McCain…
Until many of us learned the truth about Obama we were content to let the dishonorable Republican Party crumble to ashes.
But our love for our country and our military demands we block Obama , and so we’ll vote for McCain.
Most of the people I know who would NEVER have said a nice thing about Hillary in their entire life are actually saying things like “I would have no problem having Hillary as President if it prevented Obama from winning”
And I feel teh same way. Having the risk of Obama in the white house.. appointing friends of Lois Farakhan to the Dept of Justice and all who knows what other maligant forces has actually changed my opinion of Hillary.
So the Anti-Obama wave is what is accounting for anyone saying they’re going to vote for McCain.
We are not rallying around him. We are rallying around our nation and we will defend it.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:10 am
In a culture where mediocrity and banality reign, Alan Colmes is king, or at least all most…
July 11th, 2008 at 12:36 am
I’m sorry.
“Colmes & Hannity.”
July 11th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Louie~ did you hear me call the show tonight? i really don’t know what alan has to do to be “liberal enough”. it just doesn’t make any sense. it’s like he has to follow X, Y, and Z of the liberal group mantra in order to be an adequate liberal.
now, i don’t think that alan can do no wrong. he consistenly pisses me off with his views on abortion, and i don’t think he’s always fair to the christians that he interviews on the show. but i don’t think that not attacking conservative guests is the same as being a closet liberal.
just try to calm down, okay? you’re a really good voice for the liberal movement. and you’ve got a wonderful, crazy myspace page to prove it!
July 11th, 2008 at 12:43 am
michael and flap~ thanks for the info, guys. i still don’t really understand the insult that the person was making using the “ampersand”
July 11th, 2008 at 12:44 am
I think he means that he was mentioned on his own without having Hannity tied to him.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:45 am
I think they were trying to say that in Hannity & Colmes the & is better then Alan. Hence the he beat the &.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Cheryl, this is what colmes can do.
I don’t care who is on that H&C because more likely George W. Bush will be the next foxnews correspondent after he leaves office, just watch.. but
H&C is created to smear democrats and liberals.
How?
because sean hannity and the rest of the rightwing employees working on that show run the agenda. There is no negative stories against any republican or conservative.
Then what really upset me was the fact that here we have Colmes saying that democrats should come to foxnews…
and Jackson finally does and they set a trap for him by recording his comments and to use it against him to smear him and obama.
that was the last nail on the coffin for me!
and here i am waiting for colmes to stand up and say.. ‘hey this was out of context, it was his personal conversation, off the record’
but nope! what did colmes say?
he is critizing jackson and then he does it again by critizing other liberals for critizing him, accusing him of ‘eating their young’.
How many conservatives dont like hannity? i bet there are many many out there, but does hannity accuse those conservatives who dont agree with hannity as ‘eating their young’?
of course not! Hannity is too smart to accuse other conservatives of that. Why?
THAT IS HOW HANNITY CREATED HIS CONSERVATIVE BASE!
Colmes never learned and didnt give a shit about creating a liberal base. Im like, shit colmes, you have a radio show and on tv, he has the oppertunity to be liked and respected in the liberal base of the democratic party, but what does he do?
‘oh i speak for myself’ and ‘liberals eat their young’
IM LIKE.. WTF??
and its that colmes mentality that is why there isn’t a liberal base today. Keith Olbermann is trying to create a liberal base but the problem is, we all looked at Alan Colmes to be like Hannity in creating a base and being famous, but he never did that.
Like i said, he should retire and we should get bob beckel or another good liberal to represent the liberal point of view on that show.
but colmes won’t, and liberals will be attacked and ridiculed everyday on foxnews. Instead we see hannity humiliating colmes and even on one show i saw hannity throw a pen at colmes and colmes just laughes it off…
cheryl, im pissed and i just got tired of the weakness of alan colmes, the fake sell-out liberal on foxnews.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:10 am
michael and dave~ thanks guys.
louie said~
“Bush will be the next foxnews correspondent after he leaves office, just watch.”
OMG… don’t you ever say some crazy shit like that again, do you understand me? that’s just CRAZY TALK.
i just got cable, so i’ve only watched h&c a few times. i used to watch the clips on FOX, though. i don’t know. i just hope that you keep commenting with us, that’s all.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:18 am
I don’t care who is on that H&C because more likely George W. Bush will be the next foxnews correspondent after he leaves office, just watch.. but
Hahahah that’s hysterical Louie. You’re probably right though, buttt in the fair and balanced way of Fox, they did hire Lanny Davis.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:27 am
“Perhaps if I shoot each conservative who comes on our show and render them vegetables? Would that be enough?”
Alan, you’re teamed up with a chubby mick, which means, as Wolf Blitzer says incessantly, you have to launch a preemptive strike.
Start wearing camo. Get yourself a hunting hat. Practice saying, “What the Hell is wrong with you, numbnuts!” Never accuse anyone of hypocrisy or inaccuracy when you can say, “Hey, that’s a lot of BULL!” And remember: anyone who disagrees with you is the ENEMY! THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF ALL THINGS AMERICAN! THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF ALL THINGS JUDEAO-CHRISTIAN! THEY MUST BE DESTROYED!!!
And by the way, the chief of Diebold was quoted as saying there was nothing he would not do to get Bush elected. Some people take the man at his word.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:44 am
George W Bush will respect the usual tradition that ex-Presidents held themselves to and that is to get out of the public space upon his return to private life.
A tradition that Carter and Clinton burned to the ground.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:47 am
” Perphaps if I shoot each conservtaive who comes on our show and render them vegetables? Would that be enough?”
Oh my.. wasn’t’ Hillary Clinton hounded for a month because the media saw an oppurtunity to twist something she said about RFK so that they could attack her in their pursuit of coronating the Messiah?
Weren’t we all scolded.. that one can’t even raise the specture of someone else dying from gun violence.
But it’s ok to joke about killing conversatives.
Really, I couldnt care less what anyone says.. I am not “offended”.. i know he’s making a joke.. again, i dont care…
July 11th, 2008 at 1:51 am
damn~ alan’s listeners are up LATE! i’ve noticed that before, actually. we’re all night owls, i guess.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Blah I want to retract my comment.. I phrased it really bad.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:11 am
well cheryl, alan colmes only has like 5 listeners who listen to his radio show.
because conservatives hate him.
liberals like me, think he is weak and a phony, so who is left listening to his radio show?
July 11th, 2008 at 2:14 am
damn~ alan’s listeners are up LATE! i’ve noticed that before, actually. we’re all night owls, i guess.
——-
We have to be, it’s late night radio after all.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:19 am
There is some fiction Liberal out here who is not getting credit for putting America in this situation. That Liberal defended social security against the Bush administration’s attempt to Enron it. That Liberal paved the way for an Obama long before he materialized. That Liberal predicted Hillary wasn’t inevitable and led the drive to impeach President Clinton. That fictional Liberal provided the intellectual property that put Democrats in position to win in 2008. We know that Liberal isn’t Alan. I’m waiting for the call from Fox, MSNBC, or CNN any day.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:22 am
Alan, I listen to your radio show for about 15 mins per night while taking my girlfriend home, but refuse to watch that fixed news “debate” show that plays out like a WWE match. Every night it appears to be scripted so that the right wingers, who will out number you 5 to 1, will come out and make you look like a tool. I understand that you get paid well, but at the same time you should be able to understand the reason why people get upset with you. You are the only exposure to a liberal that almost anyone who watches fixed news gets, so when you come across as weak it gives your viewers that image of liberals. I know you have to walk a thin line, because if you make the neocons look too bad too much you will be replaced by a weaker liberal who will do the job fox wants you to do better, but sometimes it frustrates us when you let them walk all over you. You work for the largest propoganda machine this country has ever seen, it has been used to brainwash Americans into supporting conservative ideals even when they dont understand why they are doing it or dont even agree with it. I have talked to many fixed news watchers, they dont have a clue about anything, yet they would vote for a convinced felon over a democrat. I know a bill oleily viewer who is a passionate athiest, that is strongly against religion, yet gets enraged when people try to “discriminate against christians” by saying happy holidays or what not. You contribute to this disgrace and its difficult to just let that go.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:54 am
“You are the only exposure to a liberal that almost anyone who watches fixed news gets”
LOL hahahaha bwaaahahahah
Obviously you have never watched Fox News.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:57 am
By the way, would you get fired if you dropped a loofa reference? Is that a banned word on your network? I would be the biggest fan of you ever if you dropped a loofa or falafel on air when talking about Oreilly. Doesnt even have to be in context. Something like me and billo went out for falafels the other day would do wonders for your cred among liberals.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:57 am
I’m always amused how the Left gets all bent out of shape over a cable channel.. They really put their heart and soul into complaining about it.
And I love the way they come up with thier baby mispellings and rant and rave and fume.
The Left controls almost the entire news business beyond Fox News and they are obssessed with the one they dont have control over.
They seem to go mentally unbalanced if people are allowed to speak of things the left doesn’t like.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:02 am
I’m always amused how Vince keeps talking about the left over and over and over again.
And yet Vince keeps coming to the left in Alan Colmes’ liberaland.
LOL
I guess Vince didn’t notice
July 11th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Louie: Unlike your side I dont believe in sealing myself in a ideological bubble.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:11 am
My only beef with H&C is that the show seems formatted by Sean Hannity.
It’s episode after episode of attacks on Democrats, with Hannity attacking and Colmes defending (usually outnumbered and with less airtime).
When a Republican is featureed in an interview, the show morphs into “Hannity’s America” with Colmes nowhere to be seen.
I like you a lot Allen, and you hold your own, but the show is nothing but a game of right wing monte.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:12 am
Johnny, I agree that Hannity likes to dominate. Thats his game, just listen to his radio show sometime, caller after caller are his “Hanninites.”
The only time a liberals get through (I’ve tried to call his show, that place is a military base)are the ill informed ones.
And when it happans to be a liberal he ask them stupid ass yes or no questions. Paints them into a corner then stands over their dead bodies with their hearts in his hands.
The guys insane, playing clips of Reagan all through out the show.
He has very little education, other then the right wing propaganda that he has managed to retain. But has millions of rabid fans, all chomping at the bit for him to call them “a great American.”
If I could ever get past his screener I would suggest that stopping the radical express would mean the end of his show.
But tonight when I seen Wolfson with Alan it was good, and when Alan told him that he hoped he seen him soon; he meant it. Alan knows he’s outnumbered.
July 11th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Frankly, I was suprised that they hanged Sadaam.
I thought that he would get his own show on Fox along with G Gordon Liddy and Oliver North.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:41 am
How long were you in mourning for?
July 11th, 2008 at 7:45 am
I never liked Sadaam, unlike the Reagan/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, who never met a dictator they didn’t love, as long as they could make money with them.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:45 am
The beautiful part about all of this is at the end of the day (figuratively and literally) Mr. Alan Colmes has 4 hours per day to talk to millions of people. He can say WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS. People complaining on both sides don’t change the audience or reach he has.
I’m sure Alan is very satisfied insofar as he can get his opinions out to so many people. Few other liberals have his reach. So idiots on both sides can protest, call him names, while he continues to (as he tersely puts it) represent HIS views to a large chunk of people. And he’s “damn entertaining,” too.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Vinnie Pee…
July 11th, 2008 at 8:53 am
FU
July 11th, 2008 at 9:08 am
The Daily Kos is a gathering place for the most vile anti-semitic rants on the internet.
Anyone who thinks it offers “insightful” thought, must think wishing for another holocaust is a wonderful thing.
It is truly a cesspool of angry people that have to climb out of the basement and stop leeching of their parents, change their underwear like adults, and get a job.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Lance,
Clearly you have never seen the Daily Kos.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:00 am
There are many misconceptions. Hannity does not control the agenda on our show. That belongs to a category called television producers. We have the most balanced audience in cable news in terms of the political affiliation of who watches us, according to various studies, including Pew Research. My job is to get ratings, (but not at the expense of my self-worth.) If I can make cogent points and reach a conservative audience that otherwise wouldn’t hear that point of view, (in addition to the others watching us) and keep that audience coming back, I’m doing my job. It is a fine line sometimes to agree to disagree and disagree without being disagreeable. Because I come across as more congenial with some conservatives than some liberals would like, that doesn’t make me weak any more than shouting makes one strong.
Louie has some good points, in spite of the fact that he feels the need to put me down by saying I have just five listeners. I can understand why he takes offense when I say “Liberals eat their young.” It is my experience that there is sometimes an intolerance on the left which is a trait I prefer to ascribe to the right.
I am blessed to have the platforms I have to express myself, and I welcome the dialogue. I’m grateful that Louie comes here to express himself, although it might be more productive to occasionally take it down a notch. And I hope WFG comes back.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Its no wonder you have no children alan? but I hear you can eat bonnie(your dog) and write it off as a delicasy ? but I dont advise it
July 11th, 2008 at 10:48 am
I think the hardest thing to do as a viewer or listener is to witness a host, whom one likes or respects, having a good-hearted chuckle at the end of a show with a guest whom I judge to be a despicable liar, criminal, hate-monger, etc.
If I’m gnashing my teeth with outrage it’s very difficult to understand how the host, whoever that may be, could truly be on my side of the political arena, and yet end an interview on very congenial terms.
And this kind of thing, I think, leads many to the view that people on TV, radio, etc, are just spouting product for the sake of ratings.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Face it Alan, even if you shoot all republicans that wouldn’t be enough for the dailykos kids. The left has nothing but hate for those that don’t share their opinion.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Dave from Kentucky July 10, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Hey Louie, try to hit that shift key when you type “i.”
I’m not surprised. You can tell from the words of louie the liberal that he has a lot of internal anger and shame. That shame manifests its self in not having a healthy self esteem. That’s why he doesn’t consider himself valued enough to give himself a capital “I”
July 11th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Alan. I wouldn’t worry about what the sourpuss cry-babies over @ Daily Kooks think. Much like Commie dictators, they can not handle an honest debate. They want to monopolize all media outlets with only their viewpoint. I made one post over there in defense of Bill O’Reilly, saying that he was not a racist and my screen name was immediately banned from logging in to post any future comments.
They hate you because if they were to admit that you do make some good arguments for the left and that you do bring us rightwingers to task, then they would have to admit that Fox news does have some balance even if it does lean a little heavier to the right than other cable news outlets.
Their Fox derangement syndrome just will not let them accept you as a legitimate Liberal. Judging from their maturity levels I would guess they are mostly kids and early 20 somethings. They need to grow up.
I like to tease and razz the left while debating but not with the pure venom that some of these Daily Kooks use.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:39 am
by Vince P - Chicago
Perhaps you should consider moving to maybe Alabama or Mississippi where there are a lot of republicans.
Just so everybody knows, Vince is in the minority here in Chicago.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
TDro: Are you advocating segregation? Is that a Leftist value?
July 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
TDro wants everyone to believe like him. If not, you are racist, evil, stupid, etc.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Lance,
Clearly you have never seen the Daily Kos.
by OldLefty July 11, 2008 at 10:00 am
Old Lefty,
Apparently you missed this gem….
Apartheid Israel Trying to Start World War 3
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/21/12160/0406/272/539749
I know the Daily Kos well…
I know you, and your type, dont like Israel or Jews very much.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Alan, I find it interesting that you have been criticized for being rude to guests AND for being an unagressive debater! These would seem to contradict each other. You do more than most cable news commentators to bring some civility back into our political discourse. Do we really need another commentator who makes his points by screaming at the top of his lungs? Keep sticking to facts and, where appropriate, wit. By the way, I seem to remember a Media Matters article that reported an instance where “Colmes nailed” a conservative guest.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Lance.
Re: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/21/12160/0406/272/539749
There is NOTHING at all anti semitic. You confuse criticism of Israeli policy with anti-semitism.
Read Ha’aretz, and you will find much harsher criticism of Israeli policies.
You can support an ally, and STILL speak up when they are wrong.
Everyone who is critical of Clinton or Bush are not anti American.
You know,
BBSNews 2008-04-16 — The Israeli daily Haaretz reported this afternoon that Benjamin Netanyahu claimed during a conference at Bar-Ilan University on the division of Jerusalem that the September 11th, 2001 attacks on the United States “swung American opinion in our favor.”
Haaretz reported that Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv quoted Netanyahu as saying, “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.” Netanyahu was Prime Minister of Israel from 1996-1999. He reportedly made the comments while discussing the expected division of Jerusalem when Palestine becomes a viable state.”
Does that mean that he “hates Americans?”
You would say it did if he were liberal.
Actually, the right wing says worse about Iran, does that mean they are anti Shia or anti Persian?
You just don’t recognize the same rhetoric when it comes from your side..”
You said
,”I know the Daily Kos well…
I know you, and your type, dont like Israel or Jews very much.”
You don’t know me at all.
We could look at tons of things the right has said about Obama, from Limbaugh’s ‘magic Negro” to the ‘halfrican’ comments, and say,
‘I know you, and your type, you dont like black or brown people very much.”
But that would be childish.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Here we come to an issue that illustrates the height of Ellen Brodsky’s (of Newshounds) lack of intelligence. She wants to argue that Fox News shows and particularly Hannity & Colmes (since that is the show she covers) is not fair and balanced. The only way she can get there logically is to argue that Hannity is a smart and able debater . . . while Colmes seems to be a blithering idiot and a buffoon, who no intelligent person could ever take seriously.
But no . . . she is often quite complimentary of Colmes while she consistently portrays Hannity as a buffoon and a blithering idiot (not to mention a Nazi and a racist etc. etc.(. Ellen Brodsky is apparently too stupid to realize that she is shooting herself in the foot. I mean if things are the way she says: then Hannity and Colmes leans way too far to the left. Fox needs to recruit an able, intelligent conservative debater to take Colmes on. As it is (if we are to believe Ellen Brodsky), Colmes is just eating Hannity’s lunch on a daily basis, and making conservatism and conservatives look silly in the process.
DailyKos may be a mean spirited Stalinist web site, but at least they are not stupid. They also want to make the case that Hannity and Colmes is not fair and balanced (favors conservatives). They substantiate their view by suggesting that Colmes is a buffoon and an embarrassment to liberals everywhere. Colmes is so bad that he even makes a guy like Hannity look good.
They are wrong of course, but at least Kos is logically consistent. That separates them from Ellen Brodsky of Newshounds who is not. And the funny thing is: Ellen Brodsky is far too stupid and unintelligent to realize her logical inconsistency.
Her arrant stupidity is good news for Alan, I guess. At least she is not coming after him with a knife and fork.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Alan, if it will make you feel any better, I’ve gotten to the point where I can hardly watch you, so I leave the room for a while (or FF, if it’s recorded) until it’s Sean’s turn to talk.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I like Allen but the show is stacked against him night after night. Allen is put in a position by the producers whereby he has to defend against the daily Republican talking point each and every day. I can understand how some people are angered by this format and consider Allen a tool for participating, but Allen’s first priority should be to keep his job and that means playing along within the limits set forth by the shows producers.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Patsy,
I really have a hard time understanding your post. The show is stacked against Alan because he must defend against Republican talking points? Gee. Talk about mission impossible! Wow!
Assuming that you are correct (and I don’t think you have nearly made the case to support your claim of stacking), that is probably a good thing. If Ellen Brodsky is to be believed, the show should be stacked heavily against Alan . . . just to make it fair.
Remember Alan is brilliant . . . Hannity is just a buffoon.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Old Lefty,
This may come as a surprise to you, however, referring to Israel as an apartheid nation is beyond ignorance and totally inaccurate.
Haaretz, which I do read daily, does not have the venom that is shown by the Daily Kos towards Jews and Israel.
I can comb through the muck that is the Daily Kos and cite hundreds of examples.
Just continue deluding yourself that the most extreme form of Jew hatred and Israel bashing comes from angry people like you and Kos.
July 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Alan, if it will make you feel any better, I’ve gotten to the point where I can hardly watch you, so I leave the room for a while (or FF, if it’s recorded) until it’s Sean’s turn to talk.
by missy5537 July 11, 2008 at 4:28 pm
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Yet here you are, posting on Alan’s blog. You claim to go out of your way to avoid Alan but yet purposely come here to read his blog, his thread, his words and then take the time to say how much you protest his presence.
What is wrong with this picture?
I bet you watch Alan every night and hang on to his every word. His radio show too. How else would you know about “LiberalLand”. Probably subscribe to his podcast as well. lol :)
July 11th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Danny,
I don’t read Newshounds so I can’t weigh in on what I think about Ellen.
My opinion is that the format of the show is to put forth topics that are critical of Democrats and then have a debate over whether the criticism is justified or not. This to me is stacking the deck against Alan, especially when I consider the guests are disproportionately critical of Democrats.
I am sorry this goes beyond your comprehension.
July 11th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Patsy,
Even after you restated your position, I still think you are on shaky ground. To substantiate your opinion, you need to do an objective content analysis of Hannity and Colmes over a long period of time. Are you prepared and able to do that?
I will say that Fox’s hiring of people like Lanny Davis and Bob Beckel and Howard Wolfson to be (among other things) frequent guests on Hannity and Colmes guarantees this: Colmes will have the help of some really smart and able debaters to advance his positions. I also think that it speaks well for Fox News that more Democrats (on the average) watch that network than any other cable news network.
However, let’s assume that you are right, and the deck is indeed stacked against Alan. If Ellen Brodsky of Newshounds is correct, the stacking only makes it fair. On the other hand, if Kos is correct, the stacking only adds insult to injury. However, there isn’t much than could be done about the situation anyway. That is true because (according to Kos) Alan is such a dullard that he is really beyond all help.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
First, Why do you bring up this Ellen person in your comment addressed to me after I told you I have no knowledge of this person?
Second, clarifying my position is not restating it.
Third, why in the world would I want to bother with providing detailed analysis to somebody who is so blatantly dishonest that they put forth the argument that Hannity and Colmes is fair and balanced. I have plenty of Republican friends who don’t even try to make such a silly and dishonest statement. That would be like me saying I thought the show Countdown was fair to Republicans.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Lance said,
“This may come as a surprise to you, however, referring to Israel as an apartheid nation is beyond ignorance and totally inaccurate.’
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That’s your opinion.
Not everyone, not all Jews or even all Israelis agree with you.
There is nothing you say that can not also be said about the right.
I can say the same thing about Free Republic, Rush Limbaugh or Little Green Footballs.
You can have a honest discussion on whether it’s fair to call it apartheid, or not but when we called it that in South Africa, no one was accused of “white hatred”.
To try to assign hate to those who disagree, is just an attempt to cloud the issue with an appeal to emotions.
Funny thing is I really don’t have a dog in the fight, so to read these hysterical accusations of hatred is kind of comical.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
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July 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Patsy.
1. Ellen made a nice contrast to Kos. Kos was rather the point of Alan’s article which we are discussing. You really need to agree with Kos that Alan is a dullard if you are going to logically make the case that Hannity and Colmes is not fair to liberals or democrats. If you say that he is as sharp or sharper than Hannity, it becomes much harder (if not impossible) to make your case.
2. No what you said the second time was different than what you said the first time.
3. Because you yourself are too dishonest to admit that you cannot make the case. Your personal attack . . . your accusing me of dishonesty (were you projecting?) is as good of excuse as any.
Fun fact: More Democrats watch Hannity and Colmes than Republicans watch Olbermann.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Danny,
26 people commented on that post from Diego at KOS, and of those 26 only a portion were taking a swipe at Alan. So you expect me to agree with your comment that “Kos” thinks Alan is a dullard based on that small sample? Give me a f***ing break. Now you are bordering on absurd.
P.S. I don’t give a sh*t who this Ellen is. Neither Alan or any other commenter brought her up.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
TDro wants everyone to believe like him. If not, you are racist, evil, stupid, etc.
by flap July 11, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Your perception of me is somewhat altered (considering you don’t even know me). I’m wondering, are you and Vince P related?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:44 am
No, TDro, but I’m still perturbed at your comment towards me about blowing up abortion clinics. Very, very below the belt. So hopefully you are not like that in real life, which you probably aren’t.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Patsy,
Please pay attention. It was Alan who said that the comment section was (in his words) “less than glowing.” It was Alan who said, based on that comment section, that liberals (in his words) “eat their young.” If you have a problem with that . . . if you think that he is bordering on absurd . . . take it up with him.
I certainly don’t think it is absurd for Kos posters to post what Alan says they did. If they want to make the argument that Fox is unfair to Democrats . . . that is the most logical thing for them to say. If you say that Colmes is smarter and more articulate than Hannity, as Ellen does, then it is damn hard to make to make the argument.
I don’t really care that you aren’t willing to part with your excrement to find out who Ellen is. I brought her up . . . I did not ask your permission. . . she did help to illustrate the point I was trying to make. If you don’t like the fact that I mentioned her name . . . that’s tough. I might do it again. Whether it pleases or displeases you doesn’t faze me at all.
Save your breath or keystrokes or whatever.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Danny,
You were trying to illustrate a point to me using this Ellen person after I previously told you I did not know who she was, but you insisted on continuing to do so. Who the f**k are you trying to impress with this argument? Is there another blog involved whose participants you are are trying impress? I can think of no other reason to mention her name continuously.
And let me remind you that it was you who engaged me in this conversation in the first place. So you can blow it out your ass dipwad.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Old Lefty,
You use the old time canard that Jew haters like you use. It is just a difference of opinion….
Jews may have a difference of opinion regarding Israel’s policies, but I dont hear other Jews wanting Israel to disappear like you and the Kos Kidz so rabidly hope will occur.
I have read many hate filled screeds on Kos….
And I could choke the comment section with links if I wanted to….
In fact your heros today are showing their true colors regarding the passing of Tony Snow.
It just shows how truly sick you and your liberal types are.
I wonder why Huff Po and Newshounds had to close comments?
July 12th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Lefty…
LGF has never had to close down their comment section.
It is clear to me you havent seen LGF, since your comments, as usual are based on what you want to believe.
Though I realize LGF must get you rather angry since they are pro Israel…and clearly you are not.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Patsy,
You’re damn straight I was trying to illustrate a point to you (and everyone else) using Ellen. I care not whether you are impressed or not; it is still a good point. And here it is one more time:
let’s assume that you are right, and the deck is indeed stacked against Alan. If Ellen Brodsky of Newshounds is correct, the stacking only makes it fair. On the other hand, if the posters at Kos are correct, the stacking only adds insult to injury. However, there isn’t much than could be done about the situation anyway. That is true because (according to Kos posters) Alan is such a dullard that he is really beyond all help.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Flap:
I apologize for that. It was below the belt and I’m sorry I said it.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
TDro: I am sorry that I have made personal attacks against you. I apologize.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Lance,
I don’t think you go from this to anti Semitic:
YOUR ref. to Daily Kos.
Apartheid Israel Trying to Start World War 3
by PoliSci 000
Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:06:35 AM PDT
During the last couple of days, news reports have come out regarding Israel’s recent military exercises preparing for an eventual attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Suddenly, Ari Fleischer’s name comes to mind recalling a conversation I had with a friend over a year ago regarding some secret Jewish coalition raising funds in excess of $200 million to wage a propaganda war in America in an attempt to gain American support for another war against Iran. Now that story didn’t seem to hang around for long until recent. Ari Fleichser aka “Joseph Goebbels” and his Israeli warmongers are testing the waters for a possible attack on Iran
in an attempt to drag America in to the fold. Do we just stand by and allow Israel to further incite tensions bringing the world to the brink of WWIII?
• PoliSci 000’s diary :: ::
•
We’ve seen what complacency gets us with regard to Israel’s foreign policy. It got us attacked on 911. We have stood by and watched Israel steal land and occupy it and build illegal settlements on it. The U.N. has consistently condemend Israel for it’s illegal occupation, and the U.S. has failed to act. America’s inaction with regard to Apartheid Israel’s human rights abuses is proof of condonation. But wait a minute,
as an American I don’t condone these human rights abuses or this apartheid system that exists in Israel where people live separate and unequal lives. Russia has made comments in the past several days warning of the impact an attack could have. Complacency got us attacked because of Israel. Complaceny has made us one of the most hated nations in the world because of Israel. In fact, I can’t think of one positive thing Israel has done for America in the past 3 decades. We must inform Israel that any military strikes will not be tolerated by the U.S. and will only lead to isolation. We must demand that Israel end it’s apartheid system of government! We must also demand that Israel discontinue building illegal settlements and return the stolen lands in the West Bank, The Golan Heights and Gaza without the constant military occupation. Otherwise, we will boycott Israel, much like we did South Africa, Israeli products and any American company that does business with Israel. It must be an American led boycott. In fact the boycott should have been initiated long ago because of the repressive an apartheid system alone that exists in Israel. Israel is not and never has been a true democratic nation. Boycott Israel Now!
As for nothing hateful on Little Green Foot balls:
How about:
From: Tikun Olam-תקון עולם: Make the World a Better Place
Essays on politics, culture and ideas about Israeli-Arab peace and world music
FBI Investigates Anti-Muslim Hate Speech at Little Green Footballs
Sep 10th, 2006 by Richard Silverstein
Actual comments FROM Little Green Footballs:
Jester6
Actually, May God Have No Mercy upon these swine. May his full Wrath Be Unleashed upon them. They deserve nothing but contempt and harsh retribution
#29
mpax 8/17/06 3:15:10 pm
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I’m sure the Koran gives such behavior a stamp of approval. It’s probably required.
#31
jester6 8/17/06 3:16:34 pm
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#17 Kragar
“Total War” and “Unconditional Surrender” are two concepts the West has used very successfully in the past to defeat many flavors of fascism.
This time we’ll add another two word concept invented by the West and aped by these barbarians:
“Nuclear Weapon”
It’s like watching a car accident in slow motion. I know how it ends, I know it’s going to hurt, and there is nothing I can do to stop it.
#38
savage_nation 8/17/06 3:23:14 pm
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The sooner Islam is destroyed, the better off humanity will be. Imagine the heights the human race could achieve without the millstone of Islam hanging over its neck. Fuck, we could be on our way to other galaxies with new technologies right now. All the ways humanity could advance without this trash around.
To all the Muslims out there: Behave yourselves or die!
If you support a far right wing agenda for Israel then your reference from the Daily Kos probably sounds radical.
If you support a two state solution, and the belief that the Palestinians have as much right to be there as the Israelis, then it sounds reasonable.
Again this idea that anyone who does not support the policies of hate the people of that country is a fallacy of logic designed to intimidate one from voicing opposition.
I don’t know anything about News hounds, but comments about Tony Snow have been posted all day on Huffington Post.
It’s not possible that people on either side are not going to post hateful stuff, there were extremely vicious things said about Molly Ivins too. Most people on either side cringe.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Old Lefty,
There you go again…Sounding more and more ignorant as time goes by.
Cherry picking LGF comments from some that may go over the top is much different than you and the Kos Kidz spewing Jew hatred and venom.
To Kos and your crew, there is only one solution, push the Jews into the sea and problem solve.
Some of the diaries pose that as the “debate”.
And, you call that being an open mind…..
I have no problem with oipen and honest debate. Never have and never will. I realize that on a hot topic like Israel there will be differences. I can respect that. However, I draw the line on openness when you and the Kos Kidz want me and my fellow Jews to disappear….BTW…do you subscribe to Buchanan’s mag, I bet you are buddies)
Old Lefty, you really need to educate yourself on what really goes on in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
I have lived in Israel….and it is clear if you think Israel is a racist country….you dont get out from your basement much.
I have feeling that when the terrorist mowed down people with the backhoe you were probably passing candies to the grand kids.
The more you talk the deeper you get in it.
Lastly, your moral equivalence about Tony Snow tells me all I need to know.
Go dance on your own families graves.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Lance,
“There YOU go again…Sounding more and more ignorant as time goes by.”
Do right wingers not know that EVERYTHING you say can be applied to you also?
You can accuse me of cherry picking LGF, but Do you want me to go back and copy and paste more to waste more space?
You have yet to show WHAT in the peice I posted suggests that anyone at Daily Kos wants to “push the Jews into the sea and problem solve.”
It states that they oppose an attack on another country.
BTW…do you subscribe to David Horowitz, I bet you are buddies)
I have not been to Israel but we have a local radio show host who is Jewish, and goes every so many years.
With sadness she agreed when Sharon was dismantling the Settelments in Gaza 2004.
The calls she got from long time right wing Jewish listeners were SO hateful I had to turn it off.
When you have to speak to me in such a hateful manner, it indicates that you cannot abide different opinions or are so emotional that debate is not possible.
By the way, You brought up Tony Snow, implying that those on the left were saying hateful things….I told you the right said hateful things about Molly Ivins, and you say there is no moral equivalence?
Notice, I don’t accuse YOU of dancing on anyone’s graves.
I would hate to be THAT consumed with hate.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Israel leaving Gaza the way they did has been a disaster , continues to be a disaster and will yield even greater disasters in the future.
All the evil forces of Islamic Jihad are in that dark pit scheming and planning and waiting.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Old Lefty,
It’s laughable when you say it can be applied to right-wingers too.
LGF….and others do not have an institutional hatred towards Jews.
LGF has never authored….or would tolerate anything written that called for Israel being destroyed or blaming the worlds ills on Jews.
The truth is that Kos, Huff Po, and other Lefty blogs tolerate commentary that call for such policies.
BTW…Im nt implying anything concerning the vile comments by your kind towards Tony Snow and his family.
Just glance at the hateful things being said at Kos, Huff Po and other places.
Concering this “so-called” show you refer to…
I dont condone rudeness or hateful speech, but, you may be surprised to find out Old Lefty that Jews have a problem when they see policies that will be damaging.
As Vince so aptly comments, those policies have created a juhad nation that lobs daily missiles into communties on a daily basis…..and when Israel defends herself….you and the other knobs on the left show outrage.
Keep trying to tell yourself you dont hate Jews….as with each posting everyone can see who you truly are.
Thank goodness Im not your neighbor.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Here are some more Jew hating rants that Old Lefty says dont exsist at Daily Kos….
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/13/32250/0411/1021/514616
Markos is a real swell fellow…..
July 12th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Lance,
That post was written by a banned user called..”nepos libertas”.
If you scroll down, you will find:
Tags: anti-semitism, banned user
click on that it takes you to:
http://www.dailykos.com/tag/anti-semitisml
There’s a whole list of entries banned, AND posts THEY have written about antisemitism, including one about the anti semitism of Hagee.
They even include the first link you referred me to as banned,
I didn’t really see anything that bad because, as I said before,I don’t see opposition to bombing as antisemitic but apparently the Daily Kos did.
And I never said that “LGF….and others have an institutional hatred towards Jews.”
I said they have an institutional hatred towards Moslems.
And I’m sorry, I believe tha what brought about the problem with jihad has been decades of the US encouraging and financing the spread of radical, political islam, in an attempt to use Islamic banking to foil socialist and secular, nationalist, governments.
From the overthrow of DEMOCRATICALLY Mossadegh to support of Pakistan over India, to their love affair with the Saudi royal family, to the support of the Mujahideen in Afganistan…..
The unholy allience between US and British power, the arms industry and the oil companies have created and nurtured radical, fundamentalist Islam.
I DO agree with you on one thing…:Thank goodness Im not your neighbor!
July 12th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Old Lefty,
Its a funny thing when you try to continue the canard that LGF hates Moslems.
LGF doesnt hate Moslems…..Anymore than David Horowitz and others you attempt to smear.
However, they do have a problem with Moslems that have the enjoyment of killing innocent men, women, and children.
Are you bothered when a homicide bomber blows up a pizzaria…..or takes a backhoe and tramples cars trying to kill as many as he can take with them?
And I love your rant blaming America….Straight from the conspiracy nut handbook. Try really studying the history of the Middle East, and maybe, just maybe, you might gain a modicum of understanding.
Until then go sit in your underwear and suck your thumb with the other extreme left America and Jew hating types you hang with.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:01 am
Lance , want the answer about how the average Lefty reacts when the plain truth of Islam is made clear to them, see here…
Start with Cheryl’s message to me about my website.
http://liberalland.com/2008/07/11/email-from-a-patriot/#comment-17122
July 13th, 2008 at 3:12 am
Don’t mistake the fact that I recognize you as an anti-Islamic bigot to me being a Leftist.
First of all, I’m not a liberal. I’m actually fairly conservative. The bloggers here are quite aware of that. I voted for Dumb Ass Dubya in 2000, and Kerry in 2004.
Second, there is nothing wrong with being a Liberal or a Conservative. Each ideology contributes to the progress of our society.
Lance~ after reading my comments to Mr. P here, I’d recommend taking a good look at his website. Vince’s disdain is not for violent Islamists, but for Islamists in general. that’s like using Christians who bomb abortion clinics, or who protest outside of soldier funerals, or who are caught molesting children in their parish, as a reason to hate all of Christianity.
I also find it interesting that Vince posted a vid on his site that calls the Quran the “Book of Death”. Interesting… I guess he’s unfamiliar with the many Bible passages that can be used to call IT the “Book of Death”.
Vince, you are a hateful fucking bigot.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:37 am
Cheryl: you ignorant slut.. it’s a positive thing to be bigoted against a hateful religion.
Did you happen to watch the video called Book of Death.
That’s an indictment against Muslims.
You have no understanding of the Bible or the Koran, so your opinion on their relative propensity to cause violence in their adherents is worthless.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:44 am
You want to hear the teachings that the Muslims are feed to by their mullahs, I selected a typically insane speech by Libya’s President Qaddafi.
This is the video
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1121.htm
The teaching has a few different topics
1 - The universality of Islam
Qaddafi says “Some people believe that Muhammad is the prophet of the Arabs or Muslims alone. This is a mistake. Muhammad is the Prophet of all people. He superseded all previous religions. If Jesus were alive when Muhammad was sent, he would have followed him. All people must be Muslims.”
2 - Muslims are outraged by European mocking of Mohemmed (ie: the cartoons)
“The Muslims were enraged by the defamation of their Prophet. But the people who defamed Muhammad were defaming their own prophet, because Muhammad is the prophet of the people in Scandinavia, in Europe, America, Asia and Africa. But since the holy texts that they read in Scandinavia are forged and call for hatred, they believe Muhammad is not their prophet.”
3 - The Jewish/Christian Bible has been corrupted by Christians and Jews
The so-called Old Testament and New Testament are neither Old Testament nor New Testament - because both testaments were superseded, and they are forged. They were written by hand hundreds of years after Jesus.
4 - The world will never heal until Jews and Christians leave their religion and become Muslims
“In the Bible there are things that are inappropriate for both Jesus and Moses. If we want to mend the state of humanity, and live in a global village, because of the globalization, we must search for the true Bible, because the Bible that exists today is a forgery. Today’s Bible does not mention Muhammad, whereas our Lord’s Bible mentions Muhammad repeatedly.”
5 - The Muslims have secured their ability to take over Europe by means of colonization
“Today, we are correcting human history from here, in Timbuktu.
We have fifty million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe - without swords, without guns, without conquests. The fifty million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.”
6 - The only way for Europe and America to avoid being at war with the Muslims is for them to convert.
Europe is in a predicament, and so is America. They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims.
All people have the right to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, and to circle the Ka’ba
The verse says that polytheists [Christians are considered polytheists in Islam] are impure, hence they are forbidden from coming near the Haram
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So watch the video and see what they teach. What Qadaffi was teaching is nothing compared to what some other mullahs teach.
I can assure you.. very few muslims disagree with what Qaddafi has said.
Transcript is here http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1121.htm
July 13th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Vince,
Q “Are you bothered when a homicide bomber blows up a pizzaria…..or takes a backhoe and tramples cars trying to kill as many as he can take with them?”
A Every bit as horrified as I am when innocents are slaughtered anywhere, whether the cause is homemade bombs, or cluster bombs or Shock and Awe.
I guess it’s OK though if the victims are called “Collateral Damage “.
You confuse blaming the military industrial complex with blaming America.
Blaming the teeny,tiny few at the very top is NOT blaming America.
You don’t get to decide who “IS” America.
You don’t apply the same “blame America” standard to those who blame Clinton for everything or Fawell for blaming Americans for 9/11.
If the school tells you that your Little Pookie was smoking, are you glad for the heads up, and work out a plan…or do you put the school in the “blame Little Pookie first crowd”, and disregard their warning?
What makes you think YOUR version of Middle Eastern history is any more accurate than anyone eles’s?
The Washington Post has a piece today, written by a CIA agent stating:
“We do not face a global jihadist “movement” but a series of disparate ethnic and religious conflicts involving Muslim populations, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature and almost all of which long predate the existence of al-Qaeda.
Osama bin Laden and his disciples are small men and secondary threats whose shadows are made large by our fears. Al-Qaeda is the only global jihadist organization and is the only Islamic terrorist organization that targets the U.S. homeland.”
And so, I say to you:
“Try really studying the history of the Middle East, and maybe, just maybe, you might gain a modicum of understanding.”
But by ALL means, keep slinging the insults, because insulting people ALWAYS bolsters your argument!
July 13th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Old Lefty,
When you address your comments, maybe you want to address it to the proper person.
I see your levels of observation are just as accurate as your understanding of the conflict.
However, you finally expose your moral equivalence that is the hallmark of hateful Jew hating lefties.
Old Lefty, you stated in your comment in response to my a question I asked of you……
My question:
Q “Are you bothered when a homicide bomber blows up a pizzaria…..or takes a backhoe and tramples cars trying to kill as many as he can take with them?”
And Old Lefty’s response:
A Every bit as horrified as I am when innocents are slaughtered anywhere, whether the cause is homemade bombs, or cluster bombs or Shock and Awe.
Your response is one that the PLO, Hamas, or a myriad of terrorists give when slaughtering innocents.
It is the moral equivalence game that makes excusues as to justify terrorist actions.
Make all the excuses you want….that is what you are advocating.
When Israel’s or America’s military kills the enemy, they are not targeting innocents.
When one of your hero’s blow up a restaurant and indiscriminately targets women and children no logical comparison can be made; unless of course you are someone called Old Lefty….Obviously a morally challenged individual.
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Cheryl,
I can only speak for myself…..
However, I want to make things real clear.
You listening Old Lefty…
My problem is with the jihadi’s who have hijacked the Islamic faith. I have no doubt that there has to be other Moslems who want to co-exist with the Western world. The Grand Mufti Palazzo of Italy is someone that comes to mind. So, I know there are moderate Moslems.
We have to stand vigilent…and stay strong against this powerful enemy that is extreme Islam.
Also, Vince, if you believe in your argument, dont stoop to vulgar name calling. Leave that to lefties like Olbermann and Matthews. You belittle your cause when using ad-hominem attacks.
Because, as you see in my thread with Old Lefty, the more they talk, eventually, they let their guard down and expse themselves and their flawed logic.
Everyone reading follwing along can clearly see this…..
July 13th, 2008 at 10:54 am
OldLeftie: Huh?
July 13th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Thanks Lance.
Sometimes the frustration just swells inside of me. I need to drink when I do this I think
July 13th, 2008 at 11:19 am
My pleasure Vince….
It’s not worth losing your cool…
As I mentioned above, give them enough rope and they WILL, eventually, hang themselves with it.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Yeah I have fury drooling again.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:27 am
~ “Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.”
~A pirate, from St. Augustine’s “City of God
July 13th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Old Lefty,
Did St Augustine condone killing innocent men, women, and children?
Im no Catholic theologian, however, I dont think St Augustine compared a military defending itself from a hostile force…to the the homicide tactics of the jihadi’s.
Again, dear readers, try as they might, lefties, like Old Lefty, show their morally challenged arguments that are the hallmark of left-wing thinking today.
Yawnnnnn….
Next….
July 13th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
ignorant slut…
LOL. who knew bigots had a sense of humor?
July 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Lance,
The point is NOT the condoing of the killing of innocent men, women, and children.
He may just as well have said….
When I kill innocent men, women, and children with homemade, primative weapons, I am called a terrorist. You kill innocent men, women, and children with sophisticated state of the art weapons and are called an emperor.”
Please don’t pretend innocents DON’T get killed when We do it!
And before you say, “they target innocents, we don’t”….
That’s the height of moral relativism.
You know what happens when you use cluster bombs and the kind of tonnage that was used in Shock and Awe.
It’s just a matter of believing ‘Our killing justified…Their killing not justified’. …When the rest of the world doesn’t think ANY of your killing is justified!
A another quote, this one from a great American:
“Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.”…The Mysterious Stranger
Mark Twain
In your own words….
‘Again, dear readers, try as they might, right wingers, like Lance, show their morally challenged arguments that are the hallmark of right wing thinking today.’
July 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Cheryl Carroll wrote:
ignorant slut…
LOL. who knew bigots had a sense of humor?
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I was ACTUALLY beginning to think he was a Leeeebrul playing devil’s advocate, until I saw his website.
YIKES!!
July 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Oh Old Lefty, here you go again.
So to extend your worn logic, it would seem a nation can ever defend itself.
Its a good thing we didnt bomb the railroad tracks leading to the gas chambers, Im sure that would have upset you greatly. We may have killed a German peasant…..
I guess when terrorists use women and children as human shields, and they may get caught in between, its the military’s fault??
It may come as a surprise to you that the IDF dropped leaflets urging civilians to leave because of an impending attack. The IDF is one of the most moral fighting forces in history.
But, the left only has condemnation when Jews defend itself instead of rolling over dead.
Sadly, innocents do die in war…..
Im sure many non-combatants perished in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, Truman had to make the decision, that ultimately, saved millions of lives.
However, only the left makes sham comparisons and excuses for terrorists.
Old Lefty, you cant even say the simplest words and recognize terrorism for what it is.
That is moral relativism.
It is practiced by your heroes in the PLO, Hamas, and Al Queda.
Great company you keep Old Lefty.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
One other point…
It would seem to me Old Lefty, that you believe our American forces PURPOSEFULLY target innocents…
Only someone very jaded and has a problem recognizing good and evil can make such statements.
Thankfully you were not running WW2; my ancestors would be gone and the US would be speaking German.
However, you probably preferred that anyway.
Keep up the hate!!
Your doing a good job!!
July 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
***ATTENTION, ATTENTION***
I’m ordering a cease fire on bickering for the day.
We will resume our wars tomorrow afternoon after Alan posts new material for us to fight each other about.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Oh, Lance, here you go again.
Comparing a justified war of self defence to a war of choice for profit.
There is no moral reason for us to have dropped ANY bombs on Iraq.
We are often talking about two different conflicts here, (you about Israel and me about Iraq).
This whole thing got started because YOU accused Daily Kos of anti sematism and ignored the fact that your source was banned from the site for antisemitism.
I have already stated that I do not have a dog in the Israeli fight, but I was at a dinner last year with an Israeli who was a refusnik. Between him, and other Jewish guests, (and a few Pakistanis), there was quite a lively discussion with a wide range of opinions. And quess what?
No name calling or accusations of hatred!
You want to bring this debate to the level of ;
Israelis are 100% goodness and Palistinians are 100% evil.
Palistinians 100% terrorists and Israelis 100% self defence.
You make it clear this is very personal to you, so that I am put in the position of feeling that I am arguing with someone about their child, when they can not be objective, and it’s not fair to expect them to be.
If you need to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is a ‘hater’, then so be it.
I will only say that you seem to be a lot like those whom you despise so much!
I think it is childish to assume only the other side engages in terrorism.
By the way, claiming that I believe our American forces PURPOSEFULLY target innocents…it’s just another fallicy of logic, like when someone says “this is now an occupation”, you say “You are calling OUR soldiers occupiers!”
No. I’m calling the president an occupier.
“Keep up the hate!!
Your doing a good job!!”
July 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Cheryl Carroll,
You are right, I’m done with this (is it called thread?).
It’s going nowhere.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
CEASE FIRE, CEASE FIRE!!!
July 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
It is going nowhere for the precise reason that you cant bring yourself to admit that somehow there is something morally bankrupt about blowing up innocent people.
I dont think for one moment that everyone who disgrees with me is a hater; many of my friends are liberal.
Where there is a difference between them and you is that they will never make the argument that blowing up civilians in a homicide bombing can be justified.
Yet, you try, and try to make the case for the bomber.
You state: I think it is childish to assume only the other side engages in terrorism.
Name one time where the government of Israel condoned a homicide bombing on innocent Arabs.
Of course you cant…..In fact times where ISRAELI CIVILIANS attack Arabs, they were punished to the fullest extent of the law and condemned by the goverment and the public. That has never happened with the Palestinians. The attackers are lauded as hero’s.
Old Lefty, your type will never see what is going on becasue you cant get past your animus towards Jews.
I feel sorry for you…
And remember…what you wish on Jews may come back on you.
Karma is a bitch…
And Cheryl, I understand your calling for a cease fire, but Jew hating turds like Old Lefty need to be confronted. Im tired of of people like him and his buddies at Kos, DU, and elsewhere, that make excuses for terrorism.
Enjoy whats left of your weekend….
I know I have had a great weekend.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Lance,
(Sorry Cheryl),
I’m having company, so I am done.
Again, this is too personal for a non Jew to engage.
I have heard my aforementioned local radio host who is Reform, and for a two state solution called worse things by right wing Jewish callers who could bear that she is not with them.
Most of the hate I have seen here comes in the form of:
“Jew hating turds like Old Lefty need to be confronted. Im tired of of people like him and his buddies at Kos, DU, and elsewhere, that make excuses for terrorism.”
I have NOT called you names like that, I’ve never called ANYBODY a ‘turd’.
You have yet to address the fact that the Kos has banned the sources you sight.
You also ignored the fact that the Kos had Rev Hagee’s remarks about God sending Hitler as a hunter to get the Jews back to Israel, filed under anti semitism, and asking if he will have to apologize.
Were the comments from you Little Green Footballs
like:
~ Jester6
Actually, May God Have No Mercy upon these swine. May his full Wrath Be Unleashed upon them. They deserve nothing but contempt and harsh retribution
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mpax 8/17/06 3:15:10 pm
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~ I’m sure the Koran gives such behavior a stamp of approval. It’s probably required.
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jester6 8/17/06 3:16:34 pm
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~ #17 Kragar
“Total War” and “Unconditional Surrender” are two concepts the West has used very successfully in the past to defeat many flavors of fascism.
This time we’ll add another two word concept invented by the West and aped by these barbarians:
“Nuclear Weapon”
It’s like watching a car accident in slow motion. I know how it ends, I know it’s going to hurt, and there is nothing I can do to stop it.
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savage_nation 8/17/06 3:23:14 pm
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~ The sooner Islam is destroyed, the better off humanity will be. Imagine the heights the human race could achieve without the millstone of Islam hanging over its neck. Fuck, we could be on our way to other galaxies with new technologies right now. All the ways humanity could advance without this trash around.
To all the Muslims out there: Behave yourselves or die!
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Were these banned from banned from the site?
I would ask you one question though, and no need to answer me….
What is YOUR solution?
If a Palistinian leader asked you,
“Lance what do I tell the people who have seen three generations in a refugee camp ? What do I say them?
And the answer has to be somewhere between “You will get your land back ….and just wait patiently.”
What would you say?
July 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
That’s because it’s obvious to anyone with functioning brain cells that the Palestinians want to destroy Israel. They have been brainwahsing their children ever since the Oslo Accord granted them autonomy. Their entire “state” structure for the raising of children (daytime tv for young kids, schools, camps, etc) they are all inculcating in the youth the desire for the youth to kill Jews and die in the cause of Allah and become Shaheed.
You will not find a more barbaric peolpe anywhere on earth.
All of the money the West funnels to the PA since Oslo has been squandered by the PA in their non-ending war against israel.
Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza Strip in 2005. Almost every single day since then, HAMAS has been firing rockets at Sderot.
The Gaza Strip, in total, is one half the land area of the City of Chicago.
If i was Isreal. I would carpet bomb it for a week.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
what are you guys, israel and palestine? don’t you know what a damned CEASE FIRE is?
good grief.
let’s move the debate on to the new topics.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
WHERE THE HELL DID ALL THESE COMMENTS COME FROM?
KEEP ME IN THE LOOP, PEOPLE!
DAMMIT.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:33 am
LMAO (at myself)
for those of you who have a wordpress account, you can probably understand how i keep making the mistake of making a reference to a thread that i’m on bc i didn’t know i was on it. my bad.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:35 am
Old Lefty,
At least you are honest….
Jews dont warrant a nation of their own.
When you ask ignorant questions like:
“Lance what do I tell the people who have seen three generations in a refugee camp ? What do I say them?
And the answer has to be somewhere between “You will get your land back ….and just wait patiently.”
This is the canard that Israel stole the land from the Arabs.
And it may come as a surprise to you, Old Lefty, since I can tell what a student of ME history you are, that the refugee camps were created by Arabs and they have refused to dismantle them. Israel never created the camps.
It may also come as a surprise to you that Israel was attacked my its so called neighbors…..but of couse, you expect Jews to just roll over and play dead.
Sit down and read something else besides Mother Jones and The Nation.
Stop making excusues for terrorists….
Cheryl, you need to realize that Old Lefty is in reality an Old Jew hater. I dont back down from turds….yes turds…like Old Lefty.
Im tired of Jew haters making excuses for murderers….especially when it comes to killing other Jews.
I can only hope that what he wishes for Jews happens to Old Lefty and his family.
Like I said….karma is a bitch.
July 14th, 2008 at 9:08 am
I personally find it amusing that Colmes can’t actually respond to any of the legit criticism he receives about his appearances on H&C and the agenda of the show.
He isn’t stupid. If Colmes is going to come onto this blog and make the claim that quote, “H&C gives equal time to both sides” even most of his own supporters on this blog are going to laugh about it.
It’s a lie and he knows it. Hannity and Colmes have the most lopsided and biased guest list of any show on Fox. For every Democrat or liberal brought onto H&C there are at least three Republicans. That’s a simple fact.
And if Colmes can’t admit it he’s a coward.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:10 am
It’s also pretty funny that Colmes can’t find any serious liberals or left-wingers to defend him. Everyone on this blog who defends Colmes describes themselves as either “moderates” or Republicans.
Wow. What a surprise. Fox News’ token liberal unable to find any serious liberal support.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:13 am
How in the hell can you call Alan “Fox news’ token Liberal” when they have Libs on there debating the issues daily?
Kirsten Powers, Elenor Clift, Susan Estrich, Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, Geraldo, Tanya Acker,… Just off the top of my head.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:30 am