How Should A True Liberal Regard FOX?
Johnny $ has it exactly right. The so-called “liberal blogosphere” is going into hyperbolic overdrive because we brought on Howard Wolfson as a FOX News contributor. Wonkette calls Howard a sellout; Markos accuses him of “whoring himself to the opposition;” and a Huffington poster refers to him as a “right-wing zionist.”
Often quoted is a four-year-old poll that claims that only 7 percent of Fox viewers supported John Kerry, while 88 percent were for Bush. That’s the argument? Other, more thorough studies show very different results. Mediamark research shows that only 38% of FOX viewers self-identify as conservatives. Pew Research has numbers that fall somewhere in-between citing a survey that shows Republicans outnumber Democrats by two-to-one (43% to 21%) among the core FOX News Channel audience
But even if the 88%-7% figures were a true reflection of the FOX News viewership (and J$ explains why it isn’t), one would think that progressives would welcome the opportunity to change the paradigm and welcome any move by FOX to live up to its “Fair and Balanced” mantra. I am often renounced by the same liberal blogophere of which I am a part (even on this, my own, site, as free speech reigns) simply for being a part of a news organization some progressives disdain. So they’d rather just cede the ground, have no one on the left appear on the channel, and then continue to bash it. When I criticized Democrats for not participating in a FOX News debate, I was especially excoriated by Kos and others on the left, accused of being a mouthpiece for my FOX bosses.
Wouldn’t it be more productive to encourage those of us who are given such a platform to do more than just preach to the choir to use the opportunity that FOX, with its huge audience, affords, to reach out to viewers untapped by the left? It is not only the more productive position to support those of us who do so; it is the more “progressive” position.
There are no real democrats on faux news.
A fox democrat is in principle a sell-out.
Isn’t it time Alan to give up the pretense you’re a democrat?
July 9th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Actually, Alan consistently maintains that he is a liberal.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
By and large, FNC is doing the same thing as Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert, only Stewart and Colbert are funny.
So I would regard FNC as the place to go if you want to hear a lot of right-wing chat that isn’t particularly funny.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
While I can respect your position and I, personally, support Democrats going on FOX, it’s a shame you have to cite the likes of Johnny Dollar who has been harassing our site since its inception. He has been repeatedly banned and asked to stay away as he never adds anything constructive to to the discussions other than his own hyperbolic and hyperventilating accusations against us that are designed only to denigrate our blog and distract the threads. Even though he has his own blog where he bashes us nearly 24/7, that is not enough for him and he persists in using various ruses in order to get past our monitors and poison our well. I think it speaks volumes about his character.
As for Wolfson and Davis joining FOX News, it would be much more reassuring to know that they were doing so from a position of fighting the spin, rather than in getting in bed with it.
What’s alarming to me and many other progressives, I’m sure, is that both Wolfson and Davis have made statements praising FOX News’ coverage of the primaries. Even if they feel that all the Obama-bashing on FOX News was warranted (and it’s hard to think that any Democrat worth his salt would have thought so), they ought to at least have been suspicious that after having Bill and Hillary so fixedly in their sights for so many years, FOX suddenly found Hillary so sympathetic. Do Wolfson and Davis really think it was a sudden conversion to fairness or might there have been something self-serving in it?
Anyway, let’s hope they do their job and help FOX News live up to their “fair and balanced” slogan, as you suggest.
We’ll be watching.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Alan is right. I don’t often agree with him but I want to see both side of the story. I occasionally watch msnbc, but you only get the liberal viewpoint. But, if you like watching train wrecks…msnbc is headed for one.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Fox and the Media in general have a moral obligation and a duty to protect their journalistic integrity by offering America balance; but they can only do so if they conduct a search for the one person who can provide that balance. Where is “The Democratic Karl Rove?” Howard Wolfson is not that person. Will the hunt begin or more spin happen? The hunt has ended. I’m the Democratic Karl Rove. It’s all about making an offer and the book deal if you want “The Real Deal.”
July 9th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Ellen,
I’ve checked out News Hounds on several occasions. You don’t report the truth at all. You take soundbites out of context, and even make them up. I had no idea about your site until reading about it on j$.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Newshounds is the most dishonest and downright unethical website I have ever been to.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
The notion that Ellen will be watching is laughable in the extreme.
Does Ellen watch when people on her blog impersonate other people who disagree with the partyline, making them out to appear as if they’re engaging in criminal activity, even though Ellen has the IP log and knows the sock puppetry going on.
I know Ellen watches as she deletes the comments from people who dare to disagrees.
I have no respect for Ellen or newshounds.. and I say that in the most personal way from having been there.
She should be shunned by anyone who values ethics and free speech.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I find Newshounds to be dead-on accurate most of the time. I like Alan, but it’s obvious to me that Hannity is or cohorts control the content of that show. Just look at who they interview each night. Colmes is always stacked up against those on the right. Like Newshounds pointed out last night, it was Mitt Romney, then Pat Buchannan, both given two segments each.
And when H&C does the roundtable with three guests where they do the 4 screen split, it’s always two republicans and one Dem. And how is it that so-called Obama controversies makeup 75-80% of the show each night with nary a mention of McCain except when Alan interjects him when it’s his turn to speak.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Ellen and her friends at Newshounds have shown themselves to be Jew haters and bigots to the extreme.
Unlike, J$, they delete with prejudice comments that dont agree with their Orwellian world view.
Newshounds…..ehtics and values?
Not in this lifetime.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I don’t get this “closet conservative” argument about Alan. If he IS a secret conservative, he’s doing a horrible job of representing.
But honestly, Alan~ a lot of people really hate FOX News. I’ve mentioned several times on LL that I only just got cable, so I haven’t had the chance to check it out for myself… but I hardly ever hear liberals say that they like the channel.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
“As for Wolfson and Davis joining FOX News, it would be much more reassuring to know that they were doing so from a position of fighting the spin, [rather than in getting in bed with it."]
What do you base this on? Speculation? Just a guess?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
“I find Newshounds to be dead-on accurate most of the time.”
What do you base that on? Do you ever watch FNC? Do you ever compare newshounds to what was actually said on FNC?
I’m sure a lot of folks just take their word for it and believe FNC is the big evil monster.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I just now visited newshound and johnny $. Damn, I see why Ellen of newshounds is here badmouthing johnny $. On his blog he systematically tears apart all of the arguments made on newshounds. Newshounds seems to rely on using the words neo-con and faux news as often as possible when labeling fox.
Johnny $ linked to a site that reported more left leaning tv viewers watch fox than msnbc or cnn. And the ratings prove it. Even in radio, Rush is getting record contract while air america was forced to steal from a child’s charity.
What is ti about the liberal agenda that doesn’t resonate with viewers and listeners?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Daryl:
As a matter of fact, I have. I’ve noticed that Newshounds back up their statements with FACTS. Not Fox. Case in point: Fox & Friends ran a story that Barack Obama went to a madrass - turned out to be false. Steve Doocey said of the lie, “This is huuuuuuuuuuuge!
July 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
And why are all the conservative sheep here on a liberal site?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Steve Doocey said of the lie, “This is huuuuuuuuuuuge!
by TDro July 9, 2008 at 3:28 pm
You need a new schtick, ok?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Ellen Brodsky, of Newshounds, often expresses great admiration for David Brock. Too often, Ellen follows in the footsteps of her friend.
She has repeatedly defamed your friend, Sean Hannity, calling him every vile name she can think of, including Nazi and racist. When I have challenged her smears, she based her accusations on the ravings of a crazy man . . . a man who also says that he was good friends with Tim Russert. The later statement is conveniently ignored.
Based on nothing but an article that said that it was reporting a rumor, Ellen Brodsky accused a Fox newswoman of affair . . . or at least an unethical flirtation with Brit Hume (for the purpose of advancing her career). Oh yeah Ellen Brodsky also accused the same newswoman of being a racist (at least having racist leanings) because she referred to Obama as being “JFk with a tan.” That phrase was created by a Obama supporter, an African American woman. Ellen Brodsky was never clear why the Fox newswoman was a racist (or had racist leanings), but the African American woman who originally uttered the phrase is not at least an Uncle Tom.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I would not have known anything about Dollar’s site; except that I read NH posters references to it. There are big differences between her site and Dollars.
Ellen Brodsky has posted at Dollars’ site. When she posted, no one attacked her personally (i.e. called her a name, including “troll.” Her comments were not deleted.
Newshounds say that comments to their forum will only be deleted for the following reasons: off topic; vulgar; large amount of pasting with no comment. Additionally, NH moderators say in their off topic forum section that they welcome opposing viewpoints so long as the posters are respectful.
But all of the above are just lies. When Johnny has posted at NH, he is courteous and on topic. However, instead of trying to overcome his argument with logic and facts, Ellen Brodsky deletes his posts and asks him not to come back. She brazenly admitted that she does this earlier in this thread. She also has an army of trolls at her site who personally attack persons with whom they disagree, calling them every vile name they can think of. These trolls are given very little moderation while people with whom Ellen Brodsky disagrees are given much moderation. Ellen behaves this way and hates Hannity and Colmes and hates Fox News because she apparently has little tolerance for free and fair debate. This says a lot about her character. I agree with Vince. It is very difficult . . . well nigh impossible . . . to respect Ellen’s behavior.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Average American Patriot:
I didn’t say it. Steve Doocey said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6LBbeXTww
July 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I Like Alan and truly believe that he is a Democrat, but I see where the discomfort many liberals feel towards Fox originates. It’s in its anchors; Alan is the only Liberal on the air. If you look through the Fox news website almost all of the on air personalities are conservative.
I see it as a window into the belly of the beast.
The reason I watch Fox, and I hope the reason many Democrats watch is simple.
Know your enemy.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Also, if you notice Fox never talks about Republican mishaps, but Sean Hannity is still talking about the Monica Lewinsky/Bill Clinton scandal. Karl Rove is claiming executive privilege and ignoring court subpoenas for his role in the firings of republican attorneys for political purposes - no mention of this on Fox.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
To me it seems more like Pravda.
I have not watched TV news since Sept 04, when they gave the Swiftboats airtime.
Really if there was ANYTHING to what they said but a vicious, smear, (they also smeared the records of McCain and Max Cleland.), then they should have called for an investigation into military records, because now, ANYONE’s records can be questioned.
THEN, I read:
From,
(Asian Wall Street Journal, 9/24/04):
Sumner Redstone, CEO of CBS ’s parent company Viacom, made an unusual political statement at a gathering of corporate leaders in Hong Kong
“I don’t want to denigrate Kerry… but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal. Because the Republican administration has stood for many things we believe in, deregulation and so on. The Democrats are not bad people…. But from a Viacom standpoint, we believe the election of a Republican administration is better for our company.”
And:
Redstone repeated these sentiments in an interview with Time (10/4/04):
There has been comment upon my contribution to Democrats like Senator Kerry. Senator Kerry is a good man. I’ve known him for many years. But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.
EVERYTHING made sense then…So I said,
Buh, BYE!!
July 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Ellen, you and your outfit are liars who do a great disservice to the progressive blogosphere.
You are not fit to lick J$’s boot-straps.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Ellen’s argument seems to be that she agrees with Alan that it’s important for Democrats to get their message out to FNC’s audience, and that she respects Alan’s opinion (based on data) that FNC has a politically balanced audience, however she doesn’t like Alan citing Johnny Dollar’s analysis when issuing these opinions.
Well goodness, Ellen, who’s following who around the net? Who’s stalking who?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
[...] Colmes has a great piece on his blog about why liberals are completely wrong to demonize Fox News. He wrote it in response to the shrill protests coming from the liberal blogs [...]
July 9th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Fox News hired Karl Rove! FOX NEWS HIRED KARL ROVE!! We hear in other countries that have a state run channel. For the Bush Administration, Fox News is the stae run channel. I like Alan and his radio show, but I don’t watch H&C because Hannity is such a disgusting pig. FNC is so obviuosly catering to an agenda. “Fair and Balanced” Bullshit…
July 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
The left-wing venom really gets old, Fury. “Disgusting pig”? Have you tried getting professional help? I honestly have no understanding how Fox gets so much hatred from some of you people.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Project for Excellence In Journalism
http://stateofthemedia.org/2008/narrative_cabletv_audience.php?cat=2&media=7
Bottom of the page.
FNC 38% Repubs to 31% Dems
CNN 45% Dems to 22% Repubs
MSNBC 48% Dems to 19% Repubs
Differences:
CNN 23; MSNBC 29; Fox 7.
Which is more balanced?
July 9th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
I think that Alan certainly has a point. There’s no reason for progressive bloggers to be asking their readers, and in some cases candidates, to boycott Fox. That just guaruntees that Alan will be the only liberal voice that the network’s viewers are hearing.
However, I do think that the bloggers and many others like Keith Olbermann calling out Fox for bias make legitimate points and should be taken seriously. Fox & Friends I think is the worst offender as it positions itself as a straight news show but anybody who watches it knows that it’s “Three idiots bashing all things Democrat”. This can be evidenced by Chris Wallace’s chastising of the comedy kids for “two hours of Obama bashing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiIK8jh3ZCE
I don’t have as much of a problem with the Primetime lineup as those are opinion shows, but it would certainly be nice if more liberals were given such a prominent forum on America’s most watched cable news network….but with the fanatical boycotts of Fox and the generally conservative viewership it has, I doubt that we’ll be seeing that anytime soon. In fact, as Alan says, if Democrats keep boycotting Fox, it’s just going to move further and further to the right.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Every channel has its target audience and feeds it at every opportunity. Is it fair and balanced? Of course it isn’t. It’s not supposed to be. That’s not the point of a television channel. It’s a business with a product to sell.
Some channels do day time soaps. Other channels put pretty people in front of cameras to opine about Christie Brinkley or some pet rescued from a house fire. What difference does it make?
It’s all just fluff and gobbledeegook.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
by Ellen of News Hounds July 9, 2008 at 1:29 pm
To Ellen of News liars, why don’t you tell everyone why you banned Johnny$? Is it because Johnny$ expertly calls your miserable site out on its lies and smears against the great Fox News? Johnny$ takes your doctored quotes and edited clips and shows what is actually presented by Fox News instead of your lies. Johnny$ repeatedly tears your site apart and because you can’t back up your smears and lies, you ban him from your miserable site. Visit http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/jdp.html for more of Ellen and her knuckle dragging friend’s lies and smears debunked. Stop the News Poodle cowards with their own stupidity.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Well, flap, maybe you should watch Fox sometime. Listen to who the Fox pundits are smearing and look on the internet to find out the victim’s party. 99% of the time they are trashing a democrat (BTW, they don’t fact check).
July 9th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
michael, I happen to think Olbermann is “One idiot bashing all things Republican.” This can be evidenced by simply watching his show on any given night. I don’t even need to post a youtube link. He’s about as dishonest as they come. Check out olbermannwatch.com if you don’t want to take my word for it.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
“99% of the time they are trashing a democrat”
link, please.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Allen needs to stop trying to get on the good side of the left wing storm troopers at DailyKOOK and MorON.org. Allen has half a brain, which makes him a gifted liberal. Allen needs to speak in shorter sentences for the mindless vermin on the left. More like Keith Olbermann. Allen should just start saying Bush, Halliburton, and Faux News over and over again so the liberals will goose step to his every word.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
@Average American Patriot
Olbermann’s show is the same type of thing as O’Reilly’s. It’s an opinion show, which I already said I don’t have a problem with.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Sorry Average Olbermann Parrot, Keith’s hour of propaganda is nothing like O’Reilly’s show. O’Reilly gives his opinion with actual facts to back it up and he has guest on to rebut his Opinion. Olbermann has sock puppets on to bob their heads in agreement to every smear Olbermann vomits.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
“I find Newshounds to be dead-on accurate most of the time.”
“What do you base that on? Do you ever watch FNC? Do you ever compare newshounds to what was actually said on FNC?
I’m sure a lot of folks just take their word for it and believe FNC is the big evil monster.”
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I watch O’Reilly and H&C nearly every night. And when I don’t watch live I watch it later on DVR.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
by Josh July 9, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Actually, News Poodles are documented liars. Documented on Johnny$ web site. So you must not pay any attention to what you watch on Fox News, or you are a liar like your friends at News Poodles. Which is it? Fox News is a gift given to this country to help combat the propaganda spewed by the national socialist and communist in the dinosaur media who have done so much damage to this country.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Newshounds have been indisputably proven wrong hundreds of times with tiny snippets they posted and the full video context of what actually aired at Johnny Dollar’s site. He occasionally politely posts the correction and is deleted on sight, despite his logical disproofs.
I can’t even begin to describe how deceitful, hateful, or vacuous the folks at NH are.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
all you rabid lib kooks need to take a a cue from alan. he can be wrong without lying. hes just, sometimes, wrong. (sure hes right sometimes too and hannity is wrong)…. but, kook scum libs who lie and underreport in order to promote their agenda, SUCK.
that would be some of the kooks posting here, but especially ellen of newshounds, newshounds in general, olbermann and his ilk, and anyone who doesnt like FAIR AND BALANCED.
they are so mad about wolfson because they know fow isnt a propoganda machine to be used by the libs, like most of msnbc etc. wolfson will actually have to defend his opinions at fox. clear, independent thinkers like this: propogandists don’t. the liberal blogosphere is 98% hysterical ignorant propoganda.
FU ellen. yes that is a personal attack and i dont give a !@#%. some people deserve at least that much.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
olbyhater: Like Big Brother, Ellen and her destructive website will be watching Fox.
Ellen, as the threat to free speech and national cohesiveness that you are, I join in saying: Fuck you.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Years ago I used to go to the NH site and comment. Never more, as Ellen and her gang of “PbDs” tend to erase the facts and disproofs of their claims.
With apologies to Mr. Colmes and his site’s visitors, Fuck You Ellen.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
The last 3 posts were from Johnny $ regular posters. (olbyhater, Vince P and Fox Fan) That should give you all the info you need about their mental (in)stability.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:02 am
by olbyhater July 9, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Dittos and kudos!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:16 am
“The last 3 posts were from Johnny $ regular posters. (olbyhater, Vince P and Fox Fan) That should give you all the info you need about their mental (in)stability.”
Thanks for proving you can’t defend your beloved fearful leader, ellen, the brown shirt brigade leader.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Excellent post Alan, all the Fox News propaganda gets so tiresome. You and Sean keep up the good work!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:57 am
Ok so we could do without all the ad-hominem attacks and have a civil dialogue and meaningful debate. Also Alen makes some great points about reaching some untapped voters.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Fun fact: The one time Johnny $ actually did catch a News Hounds blogmaster going beyond the facts, the others acknowledged this and put the offending blogger on such a short leash that he quit. If anyone wants to know why he and all the other NH trolls who have been posting here were banned, we have a Neocon Wingnut Hall of Fame where you can see the offending posts in all their glory (Note: most of them didn’t result in banning, but were simply amusing or flat out insane).
July 10th, 2008 at 4:24 am
“If anyone wants to know why he and”
“He” being Johnny $, not the ex-News Hound.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:25 am
It’s so funny to read people defending both Faux Noise and Johnny $. Neither has any credibility in the real world.
It’s also laughable to read people pull out the Republican Motto: I was misquoted and/or taken out of context. They accuse Media Matters of taking stuff out of context and they accuse News Hounds of taking things out of context. Yet, MMFA and NH provides the entire context most often with the entire video.
But, if “I was taken out of context” works for you, go with it. It just doesn’t work in the reality based world.
Alan: You work for a network that is slanted to the right. Personally, I don’t care. However, it’s the “Fair & Balanced” slogan that pisses me off. That’s simply a lie.
With all my love,
Aunty Em
July 10th, 2008 at 7:46 am
Aunty mistakes calling Newshounds the hate site that it is, a defense of Fox.
No it’s not a defense of Fox or J$. Though you will do anything to make it be that.
Objeticively, Newshounds is an unprincipled, unethical outfit.
You can try to deflect that as usual by changing the subject, but that is not refutation, it’s obsfucation.
Hyperpartisans like newshounds have a totally warped mentality. They cannot handle any discussion that isn’t processed through their Political Relativity filter.
Notice the theme that Aunty’s defense employs.. the politics of Right vs Left … what has been said about NH has nothing to do wtih Right vs Left but Truth vs Lies.
But to hyperpartisans truth is no concern, only the Right vs Left war.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:08 am
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Ellen’s argument seems to be that she agrees with Alan that it’s important for Democrats to get their message out to FNC’s audience
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Herein lies part of the problem with FOX News. Democratic of Republican messages.
Democracy lives due to “a well informed electorate”. If a news organization is delivering a specific, biased message, is it truly presenting that information in such a way to better serve the electorate…the citizens of the nation?
In a clouded landscape of information which seems to distract rather than inform, democracy falls victim. People cannot make informed and accurate decisions when given only information which is slanted, corporatized or non-factual.
In the US today is seems that the main purpose of a news organization (be it FOX, CNN, MSNBC) seems to be profit rather than informative. That sort of mentality becomes a hindrance to true, proper democracy because the electorate is not well informed. They learn only those things which a handful of people decide they should learn. A message tied to profit is rarely objective.
As you have heard, with great power becomes great responsibility. News organizations with a larger viewership therefore have greater power in the message they deliver and, as such, should assume the responsibility for that power which they have been given. Without it, even great democracies can be doomed to failure. Without the accountability your Republic becomes controlled by a relatively small segment of its population. Why should you accept that?
Newshounds, mediamatters, newsbusters, whether sometimes accurate or inaccurate attempt to hold those in control of the message accountable. To combat a message developed by a corporations. To deny them this opportunity would be foolish and it would be dangerous.
Though the discussion here is, obviously, FOX News we should acknowledge that MSNBC or CNN or other should also be held accountable for the messages they deliver.
A Republican or Democratic message? Trying to balance it so that each party gets the same number of ‘talking points’ out there is hardly a good methodology for determining accuracy in any media because, let’s face it, it won’t be accurate.
“We the people”. We. That’s inclusive. Make sure it is also the truth. Be informed. Be informed accurately.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:30 am
“coropations”
Riiiiiiiight.
I can only assume Paul actually believes everything he wrote.. which just goes to show how the Left in the West are living in bizarro world.
For those who aren’t brainwashed Marxists, we realize that the media decisions are predominatedly influenced by *drum roll* the Editors and Journalists.
Understanding that might led a thinking person to explore how it is that people become editors and journalists and find their way guided to Universities.
But of course we can’t examine Universities because they are under the firm grip of Leftists..
And thus.. a totally pointless focus on “corporations” because i guess they’re evil republicans. and that is the point of the excerise.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:41 am
I’m sure I didn’t write anything about coroporations.
I never made a comment about whether corporations are good or evil, that was your little tidbit. Though I’m not sure how Disney or McDonald’s with their respective “Gay Agendas” are Republican.
You’re welcome to believe what you want, of course, but if you don’t think the message is influenced by the likes of Roger Ailes or whether or not the story on big oil should be run because Exxon might drop the 12 million dollar account then, well, I can’t help you.
But you’re right, places like Oral Roberts or Regent Universities are definitely left leaning.
It’s 2008 in my part of the world, you should try living here.
Please respond with something better, otherwise this just isn’t very sporting.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Well whose word about Fox should we take… Paul or someone who has worked at both CNN and Fox.
Lets check with Greta Van Sustren:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/greta_van_susteren_on_fnc_vs_cnn_missingperson_cases_and_missing_wisconsin_88603.asp
2. TVNewser: The main differences between working for Fox News Channel and CNN?
Van Susteren: I left CNN six and a half years ago and can compare my current experience to the one I had at CNN six and a half years ago. I don’t know what it is like now but can tell you what it was like right before I bolted for the door.
CNN was very, very ‘corporate’ in the last two years I was there — it was hard to get anyone to make a decision (they really overdid the committee ’stuff’) and I did not feel comfortable that the decisions made were made for the right reasons (the fact that Time Warner has now retreated from the name AOL suggests that perhaps I was not wrong…)
I felt the answer to almost every idea at CNN in the last year (after Ted Turner departed and when AOL was in charge) was ‘no.’ CNN was always looking that last year at the bottom line as a measure of whether things should be done as it tried to make happy all the AOL shareholders.
Fox was/is different. Fox was (and is) refreshing. Every new idea I raise at Fox is answered by ‘why not? Let’s try it.’ In short, Fox is fun…and CNN was not (by the way, leadership does matter).
CNN was fun when Ted Turner was in charge. Ted made things fun and was willing to take a chance, and CNN became a nightmare after he sold it and it became corporate.
There is a big difference having Roger Ailes in charge at Fox compared to some faceless corporate board. Roger is not a stuffed suit — he is fun, he is accessible, and he is loyal to us. Yes, loyalty matters. Roger loves hard work, and he loves a challenge. His attitude is contagious to the rest of us and largely the reason Fox is number one in all of cable news.
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She has just made identical charges as you made.
Except she exonerated your guilty party (Fox, Ailes) and clearly made a case for CNN’s problems.
That is what triggers me. Attacking Fox on baseless charges. And I do believe it’s motivated by politics.
The Left is upset it doesnt have stranglehold on 100% of news outlets. So they will attack Fox on all fronts and yet remain silent about the real problems that exist in the MSM overall.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Funny that the Newshounds would choose this venue to attack J$, who merely corrects their bald-faced lies about FNC with video proof of what Fox actually said (hundreds of times).
The NH very frequently attack Colms as Hannity’s lapdog and token liberal and call him weak and ugly. They hate everything about FNC and will lie and slander to no end to demonize the network. Proven over and over, case closed.
Sorry NHs, you won’t find any friends here.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am
“CNN was fun when Ted Turner was in charge”
That is an ironic thing to posted there Vinny.
Almost as if you would be please and happy to watch CNN if they returned to their roots of liberal Ted Truner’s CNN. I admit I would like them to do the same. Be nice to have actual news on cable TV again.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:53 am
by Anonymous July 10, 2008 at 10:53 am
That was me my bad.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:54 am
by Fox Fan July 10, 2008 at 10:37 am
Why not give us a quote and link big guy. Rather then spend your whole day thowing out acusations?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
That entirely proved my point, Vinny. Thanks!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Here you go, roachman- http://www.newshounds.us.
Check almost any article there about Colmes. Not only do they hate him because he’s on Fox, they are serial liars as proven with video hundreds of times at J$’s site.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Average American Patriot:
Here’s just one link. You can search the web for others.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/714.html
July 10th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Average AP:
Also see this:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1187
July 10th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
by Fox Fan July 10, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Got nothing then? Eh?
And your post shows you have never read anything there.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
But of course we can’t examine Smart People because they are under the firm grip of Leftists..
by Vince P - Chicago July 10, 2008 at 8:41 am
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FIXED!
With all my love,
Aunty Em
July 10th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
this debate is cracking me up. just don’t watch the damned channel. i only watch it when alan’s own.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
The one time Johnny $ actually did catch a News Hounds blogmaster going beyond the facts, the others acknowledged this and put the offending blogger on such a short leash that he quit.Sergei Andropov July 10, 2008 at 4:24 am
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Ellen Brodsky has been caught going beyond the facts many, many times. I cited just two examples earlier in this thread.
So, Ellen Brodsky is really a man? She . . sorry, he was put on such a short leash that she . . . uh I mean he was forced to quit? Damn you are a fountain of information!
July 10th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
this debate is cracking me up. just don’t watch the damned channel. i only watch it when alan’s own.
by Cheryl Carroll July 10, 2008 at 5:53 pm
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Same here for the most part….I don’t get my news from TV as much as I get it from the internet though (NYTimes.com, MSNBC.com, etc.)
I listen to Alan’s radio show a lot more. I don’t listen to Alan on radio every day, but usally at least 2 or 3 days a week anyway….I try to listen live if I can but if not there’s always the podcast.
Anyway, what are some you guys’ favorite cable “news” shows (I put news in quotes because cable is dominated by opinion-oriented shows). I personally like Countdown, The Situation Room, and H&C.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
I cant’ stand watching Hannity and Colmes (the show).
Neither of them are very good questioners..
Hannity takes 15 minutes to ask a question.. the same question he’s asked tons of people before.. each one , where he puts his fingers out and spouts off a laundry list of things. And when he asks a question that can be answered in a sort of abbreviated “you’re right Sean” way, or answered in a way where the guest has an oppurtunity to provide the audience some new information.. if the guest goes down path 2, Sean interrupts him so that he can get the affirmation that is down path 1
Alan Colmes on the other hand asks about 30 questions in 5 seconds. These questions are usually based on invalid premises.. dripping in snark.. or mischaracterizing the guest’s POV.
Then when teh guest tries to actually figure out in what way Allan is attacking him with the 30 questions and starts to respond, 3 seconds have gone by and Alan interrupts him to repeat the questions he just asked.
And if there are two or more guests, everyone is talking over everyone.
I can’t watch the show. Especially if there’s a guest I want to hear from.. because the two egomaniacs never let them talk and want to impress themsevles by repeating their mantras segment after segment.
I actualy get a headache from it.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
@Vince
Haha you’re absolutely right about Hannity…that’s why I have to laugh when people saying that Hannity is strong and Alan is “weak”. Hannity makes the same 3 points and asks the same 3 questions and quotes the same 3 articles, etc.
Can’t say I share your opinion of Alan. I really admire him for his ability to stay civil, calm, and make a good intellectual argument in spite of all the “Hannity insanity”.
Regardless, I only watch H&C for Alan, and that’s generally why I listen to his radio show a lot more.
You’re right that everybody talks over everyone…..maybe the show needs some kind of a moderator to keep things under control.
Now, saying I don’t like Hannity’s style is not to say I don’t like hearing from conservatives. I just prefer those that have a style similar to Alan’s rather than the screamers on talk radio.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Michael:
I’m a conservative, but I find Hannity too grating and . um. .. his constant incredulousness I guess you could put it, just turns me off. I can’t stand whining.
I dont watch much cable news anyway. I like Glenn Beck the most. he is right on the money about the contempt people feel toward the government. and how the people in washington are on another world..
Alan must be saving his intellectual side for his radio show, because when it comes to certain topics that require a little effort to learn about (Like Islamic fundamentalism and what their goals and methods are) he shows himself to be bafoonishly out of touch.. at least on tv. (not that he’s the only one like when that it comes to our enemies.. i would say the poltical and journalist world are the most irresponsible people in this country. they’ve had 8 years to learn about what is going on in the world. and they’re all still so clueless)
July 10th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Vince…Alan’s questions are “dripping with snark”? Hilarious, but I don’t know how true it is. By the way, is “snark” even a word? Snarky?
By the way, Vince…I appreciate your comments on this board. You bring a good perspective.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:05 am
By the way, Vince…I appreciate your comments on this board. You bring a good perspective
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Yes it’s always nice to hear from the clinically insane.
Kidding :)
July 11th, 2008 at 12:17 am
BTW Vince, I wouldn’t say that he’s saving his intellectual side for radio entirely, but I will say that he’s much more in his element on radio and on the blog here….he’s much better when he has a forum to speak his mind without Hannity and a bunch of other people screaming over him while he tries to be civil.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Michael: Radio is a superior format to actually have a discussion.
Another reason I dont like TV.
As far as insanity goes.. I have to take a break from blogs and news every now and then and reboot my brain… keeping all awareness of crappy news
flap: thanks for complement.
Ever since I threw myself into doing some research into what Islam is in the late 90s, I’ve felt like Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 when she’s in the mental hospital telling the doctors they’re already dead.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:43 am
michael~ that’s my point exactly. alan’s not an arrogant dick, which means that he doesn’t work hard to talk over people and bring the conversation back on how much he loves America. (that’s not really a slam on Hannity, bc I like him and listen to his show sometimes)
July 11th, 2008 at 2:01 am
Fix News.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Wouldn’t a conservative network be the one most in need of liberal/Democratic contributors? I don’t hear conservatives objecting when Tucker Carlson and Pat Buchanan appear on Msnbc, a supposed liberal network.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
You liberals need to shut your whining mouths. You own most of the media. Fox is ours. Get over it. We allows some of your dim-witted pundits like Alan Colmes a few meager minutes. You have no right to demand that we give you equal time. It’s our news channel. Freedom of speech means the freedom to tell dumbass Democrats and liberals to f-ck off.
Fox is America’s best news channel because Fox is America’s most conservative news channel. And we’re going to crush Obama in this campaign. Deal with it.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Television is all about appearances. Alan Colmes is on for just one reason–he looks completely wimpy and reinforces the right-wing stereotype of a limp-wristed liberal.
Basically, you have a high school reenactment of the big tough, popular athlete completely dominating the weak, vacillating academic.
Any actual content (or lack thereof) is entirely irrelevant. The message is simply that conservatives rule!
August 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Well, as for all those liberals watching Fox News, there’s a new poll that suggests it just ain’t so….http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7369
August 7th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Come one, I want some conservatives to come on a talk about all the balance on fox because of all the other liberals out there, like Geraldo (really? I feel like they only bring him out once a year to shout at O’Reilly or to open Al Capone’s vault) or Greta van Susteren (can you remember the last time she covered a story which wasn’t some murderer, preferably of a young white girl?).
Calling Fox fair and balanced is a truly ridiculous statement, except that liberals like myself actually do like to turn on fox every now and then to see what the “enemy” is up to. The difference between the liberal fox news viewers and the regular ones is that the liberals only watch in five minute segments, until their blood boils to the point where they either have to change channels or write angry blogs (or even better start a fact-checking web-site).
I’ve always found the Fox news “liberals” to be a curious breed. Frequently, I don’t even realize that they are supposed to be the liberal until I look up their resume on-line, or until O’Reilly or someone cites their names as a reason that Fox is fair and balanced. Alan is the only one who wears it on his sleeve. Juan Williams is supposedly liberal but loves to bash Obama and just wrote another book excoriating the black community in that special way that conservatives love. Apparently he has a different personality on NPR, but I’ve never seen him there. Is Mara Liasson a liberal? I feel like Fox will call anyone a liberal if they’ve ever worked for NPR, regardless of their actual viewpoints. Finally, there is good old Mort Kondracke. I guess he’s supposed to be liberal too, though I’ve never heard him disagree with Fred Barnes. Then there’s that “democratic strategist” Kirsten Powers on O’Reilly - nothing says balance like opposing a loud, arrogant conservative voice with an attractive and demure woman who never talks back.
At the end of the day, the liberal who works for Fox news will always be a curious breed in my view. Most liberals couldn’t stand being around someone like O’Reilly or Hannity for most of the day, so they are clearly people who either do it for the money and career (and more power to them - as a liberal I’m not against advancing your career and making money per se) or have a warped view about what they are achieving in terms of spreading the liberal message.
I would like Alan to write about whether, if at all, he has ever received mail from Fox viewers saying - I’m one of those lonely liberal Fox viewers, and I’m grateful you keep fighting the good fight against Hannity and his minions, or I used to be a conservative but you really showed me the error of my former ways. I’d like to get inside Alan’s head to know what he really thinks about his role at Fox news. I’m afraid we’ll have to wait for that until he retires.
August 7th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Screw Faux! Resign Alan and reserve some dignity. Hannity is a gasbag full of himself and I can’t wait for the inevitable downfall. Murdoch is McCain’s age, both with one foot in the grave. When they’re gone, the morbidly obese Ailes will go soon as well. This era will go down as a dark time in our history: Bush, Fox, Murdoch, Moon, Limbaugh. All stains on what was a country with ideals, all of which were corrupted by this cabal of scumbags. Flame away wingers, I could care less. Out on the street, I don’t allow crap like you spout anywhere near my family.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
This discussion is very depressing. There is almost no true discussion, only bashing by both sides. I’m extremely liberal, but I’ve always loved to debate with conservatives, and it’s almost always done in an intellectual, respectful way. All I see here for the most part are ridiculous insults that for the most part are either wrong or don’t make any sense.
Colmes is sort of right. Liberals need to at least listen to Fox News, if only to laugh. People can’t just preach to the choir all the time; it would be great to get more debate shows on Fox (preferably none involving Sean Hannity, let’s get someone intelligent.) However, his claims that Fox isn’t as conservative as people think is ridiculous. Liberals only watch Fox to see how conservatives view events. There is no real liberal who could possibly agree that Fox is “fair and balanced”. It doesn’t have to be though, and I think it’s great that there is a conservative viewpoint.
And whoever said that Bill O’reilly allows true debate on his show is wrong. Even a lot of my conservative friends agree that Bill O either just yells over people when they start making sense, or he has really dumb liberals on who have no idea what they are doing.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Dude, you are such a sad, sad tool. Did you ever have any self respect? Somehow I think not.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Fair and balanced my arse! Let’s just all a spade a spade here. Republicans love Fox news, Democrats lean towards CNN or MSNBC. You can’t parse 87%.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Oops. Updated link. Apologies…..
August 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
You know, I agree on principle that more liberals on FOX is a good idea. I guess it’s similar to talking to Iran — you could starve them of attention and let them build their nuclear power plants (at least John McCain is against nuclear power plants in the US, too — oh, wait, he isn’t? Never mind), or you could actually engage them in dialogue. Liberals not going on FOX News is like not negotiating with terrorists. But the problem is that it would be on FOX’s terms, and the liberals would just lose out. There’s no fairness or balance, and while more fairness and balance is good, at this point, while some (O’Reilly) like to denote respected liberal blogs as “hate sites”, being a liberal on FOX News is just asking to get destroyed.
What FOX News actually needs is fire-breathing liberals (to borrow a term from my Congressman in FL-19) who will actually challenge the right-wing as idiocy. If FOX News viewers believe that Iraq had WMD’s or that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, SOMEONE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB ON FOX NEWS. If FOX News viewers believe that Obama is Muslim or that he supports terrorists with secret terrorist fist jabs or that Mark Foley was a Democrat (remember that chyron?), then SOMEONE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB ON FOX NEWS. Part of the reason the liberal blogosphere exists is to counter the misinformation from your network and some of its anchors.
Furthermore, FOX News is in the far right of the Culture War™. It’s not just politics. There is nobody to actually counter Bill O’Reilly when he rails against “secular progressives”; equal marriage rights, for example, are seen as a tool of the “far left” to subvert American ideals. Without someone like Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow, at MSNBC, there is no hope that FOX News can be thought of as fair or balanced.
I doubt that anyone will read this comment — to be sure, I don’t even actually watch FOX News; all I see are clips from it on other shows and the poll numbers — but Mr. Colmes, if you really are reading this, perhaps you should try actually fighting for your liberal values instead of just letting Sean Hannity be ridiculous with impunity. YOU are the one in the position to do something about this.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:22 am
The NH very frequently attack Colms as Hannity’s lapdog and token liberal and call him weak and ugly.
by Fox Fan July 10, 2008 at 10:37 am
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I’ve been away and busy for about a month so have not had a chance, until now, to review the lovely comments about me on this thread but the good news is that it’s so late, I may get the last word or close to it.
As the one who writes 99.9% of what gets posted on our blog about Colmes, I have NEVER said anything remotely close to what Fox Fan asserts. I have been critical of Colmes at times but anyone who reads my posts will see that the vast majority of them are approving of him. I have defended him in interviews as well. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
As for J$, I could spend hours explaining all the reasons he was banned but for the sake of not derailing this thread any more, I’ll just say it was because he could not discuss and debate like a grown up and without being disruptive. Anyone who knows me knows that I bend over backwards to be fair to those who disagree with me and to give them a platform so long as they behave civilly and with respect. And, by the way, I mostly rely on someone else to moderate my threads so most of you have no idea which decisions are mine and which are someone else’s. However, the decision to ban J$ was unanimous.
Lastly, and to get back to my original point and the topic of this post, even as someone who is adamant that liberals should go on FOX News, as I am, I was defending as understandable the netroots’ concern about Wolfson and Davis joining FNC, given that they joined with a “You guys really ARE fair and balanced!” attitude, rather than one of “I’m looking forward to taking on Karl Rove.” The latter would have been at least somewhat reassuring to the vast majority of the netroots that has strong objections to what passes for fairness and balance on FNC and may have brought about a different response.
Sadly, the two new contributors’ record so far is mixed and I’d have to say that the qualms were justified.
Peace.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:42 am
>he was banned but for the sake of not derailing this thread any more, I’ll just say it was because he could not discuss and debate like a grown up and without being disruptive.
Bwahahahah.. what a strange requirement … has anyone read the comments by the regular stalinists there?
>However, the decision to ban J$ was unanimous.
Imagine that!
August 8th, 2008 at 1:54 am
The fundamental issue is not about the left-right or liberal-conservative orientation of FOX. Still less is it about the relative proportions of ideologues (as if news were about getting the correct recipe of left and right). It is about thoughtless, emotionally-driven, sensationalist formats of FOX news. Seeking greater representation from the left on FOX won’t result in a better understanding of the issues facing America today on that network; it will result in more of the usual sound-bites, the usual shouting matches, the usual “I’m sorry but we’re out of time”, the usual superficiality.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Why is it that no Left winger complains about any other media outlet?
August 8th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Congratulations, john t, on getting banned. As far as I’m concerned, you can’t be too rude to that little prick.
Posted by: Ellen on Wed 7.30 1:49am
http://forum.newshounds.us/viewtopic.php?t=22903&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
I just thought everyone would like to see Ellen’s idea of “debating without being disruptive.” [She is wrong about Olbermannwatch, and John t has indeed posted abusively at Dollars since being “banned” (he wasn’t banned) but I digress]
Notice the vulgar abusive language that Ellen Brodsky herself uses. If you go to the link I provided (from which Ellen’s post came) you will get a taste of the vulgarity and the name calling that is tolerated and encouraged (remember Ellen Brodsky herself does it). Note also the way that “Captain America” signs his name, and his reasons for so doing. Notice, in the above post, that Ellen encourages her regulars to go to Johnny’s site and to be as rude as possible there. Does this include vulgarity and name calling? I guess it does, because, since Ellen Brodsky posted the above, regulars from her site have indeed authored posts that have included vile language and name-calling. So, Ellen values “debating without being disruptive.” Yeah . . . right.
Johnny has stated on his site that all of posts on Newshonds have been courteous sans any name-calling or vulgarity. He also said that when he posted at Newshounds that, from the mature debaters that are there, he received vile insults that to further demonstrate their maturity the other posters even went so far as to insult his mother. Viewing the threads . . . the verbal cesspool that is Newshounds . . . I believe what Johnny said.
Since Ellen has made an accusation here, I challenge her to prove it. I challenge her to produce one single post (either on dollar’s site or hers) where Dollar has been as abusive to Ellen as she has been to him. Hell, I challenge her to produce one post where he was discourteous.
If she can’t justify her accusation (and I don’t think she can), I wonder if she has not made herself vulnerable to being sued for slander.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:55 am
I have good example of how dishonest Ellen is.
I posted comments on Newshounds, of course in opposition to them.. and in response, i had the regulars there accuse me of things ranging from using sock puppets to being a child molester.
When I appealed to Ellen for some sort of adult supervision and for her to restrain the out of control vicious slander being done on her blog .. but she never would acknoweldge it.
Here’s a good example:
[Wordpad blocked my message because of URLS. go to the newshounds Haloscan website and enter /13505 as the page number]
You could see she censored Johnny.. and then she censored me.. (I dont remember what I said) at 1:10am.
But what you dont see is this comment I made.. complaining about that her forces were calling me a child molestor… she deleted that comment:
On the same day at this page [Wordpad blocked my message because of URLS. go to the newshounds Haloscan website and enter /13541 as the page number]
I complained about the lies being told but it was deleted
Then Ellen accuses me of using Sock Puppet. Since she’s the admin of her site, I assume she has access to IP Numbers of people who post comments. She knows that I was not using sock puppets, yet she stated as fact that I did.
I asked her to prove it.. but she deleted my question
When I saw that she deleted the comment I said
Realizing that Ellen is allowing statements about me such as child molesting and using sock puppets reamin on her site, while deleting all traces of me defending myself, I said:
I kept talking though.. then Ellen says
Then one of her idiots makes up another lie about me
Instead of being responsible for her blog.. she continues to say things against me
So you see Ellen is quite capable of allowing abusive behavior on her blog. as long as the victims are the right type of people.
August 8th, 2008 at 3:26 am
Alan, you do an admirable job representing the liberal side, given the format of the show you’re on. But the fact of the matter is that Fox News is right-wing propaganda, and Democrats who appear on Fox aid and abet this harmful propaganda operation by lending it credibility. It really would be better if Democrats could stick together and stop helping Fox present themselves as a legitimate news outlet. Of course the reality is that Fox can always hire people to pretend to be liberals, because people like to get paid and be on TV. If you quit, they’ll just hire a stunt Combes. But Democratic consultants and politicians really need to get their act together and maintain a boycott of a network that is basically a propaganda operation for the other side.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:07 am
I think the issue that is being overlooked to some extent is ignorance and Ideology. I’m not trying to generalize but I’m gonna take a stab in the dark and say that most Fox News viewers believe what they are seeing is the truth, while the viewers of CNN and MSNBC et al don’t. It takes a certain level of sophistication OR time to filter out the BS and know that your are being hoodwinked in the first place if someone is telling you something that you want to hear. This is not just an attach on Fox but all MSM. Fox just is the most blatant.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:23 am
Just wanted to point out one more thing. None of the networks are really offering news anymore. Most of the things you are talking about is OPINION - so let’s stop arguing about it just rename the networks to Fox Opinion, NBC Opinion, CBS Opinion, etc… Then they could offer News specials on occasions when an event happens. Perhaps congress or the FCC needs to act to define what MSM can define as “News” or even when they can display the word “News” on the screen or play on a “News” channel. Same goes for Radio and print and internet by the way!
August 8th, 2008 at 4:28 am
The FCC doesn’t regulate cable content, nor should it.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Firstly, FX is not fair and balanced,never has been and will not be in the future. They bring on so-called Repub/Democrat hacks to represent authority of those parities and comfirm views voiced by the hosts. It is Rush Limbaugh on TV and don’t expect anything except a anti progressive view point.
If Allan is suppose to be the token progressive he is no match for “tough guy Hannity” but that is what FX wants. Allan continues because of one huge reason….$$$$$$$$$. Where else could he make as much for be the token liberal hack.
What a fool he must be to continue to be the one they can fault for all that is wrong in USA.
August 8th, 2008 at 9:33 am
The world is a much worse place for the existence of Fox News. It’s that simple.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Anyone who knows me knows that I bend over backwards to be fair to those who disagree with me and to give them a platform so long as they behave civilly and with respect.
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I know you Ellen. I know you all too well. I have always been civil and courteous to you on your website. I have tried hard to follow the rules for posting that is found at the bottom of your comment page; even when your sycophants (posters) are not following those rules. Yet,you have NOT exactly “bent over backward to give me a platform.” You have silenced me for no reason, and you have allowed me to be viciously abused and personally insulted (against your stated rules) by your sycophantic posters. That’s why I haven’t posted at Newshounds for a very long time.
With regard to the topic if this thread: It is fine to take issue with Fox pundit’s (in this case Sean Hannity) statements,but you should not be calling him a Nazi sympathizer based on the testimony of a certified crazyman; A delusional lunatic who also claims to have had (not a long time ago but until death) a really close relationship with Tim Russert, and that Russert shared his views.
You should not be questioning a Fox female newscaster’s sexual mores or reporting that she has an improper relationship (or an extramarital affair)with Brit Hume based on a rumor . . . at least that is what your source calls it.
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/06/02/megyn_kelly_agog_with_bad_news_for_obama_in_meaningless_puerto_rico_poll.php
Despite your claims of maturity, you view or critique of Fox news seems extremely juvenile. Although your political philosophy is different, you share the mentality of the average contributer to “Alan’s Hate Mail.”
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