But It’s Okay To Insult San Francisco?
April 13, 2008Barack will come under increasing fire for his comments on “small town America”. Yet, conservatives have a history of using phrases like “San Francisco values“. Andy Card referred so “elites” from San Francisco on Friday night’s H&C, all the while blasting Obama for insulting another part of America.
Way to make Card look like a fool. Typical hypocrisy from the right.
In a Newshounds post on this subject, there’s a poster comment talking about Rove being asked about Obama’s “bitter” remark on FOX’s “America’s Election HQ”. The video link shows Rove calling Obama’s San Francisco audience granola eaters. Like Card, he pulled the same hypocritical BS. You’re getting a ^5 from many of the commenters over there for what you did, Alan. Way to go! Card was being very hypocritical.
Hillary Clinton Said on 04-13-08 that Barak Obama’s “words are not reflective of the America she knows.” Mrs. Clinton by that statement must feel that Americans are complacent, do not turn to religion for comfort, and do no care about the 2nd Amendment gun rights. What America is she living in? This Nation is full of people who have been swept up by religious movements due to either 911 or hard times, the search for meaning in life, and many other factors. This is not an advertisement for religion; rather it is only a fact of US trends in spirituality. Obama is correct when he said that many use religion to find solace. How is that statement elitist? It is stating reality. Do Americans have the right to be upset or bitter about the current administration, economy, war, civil rights, the rule of law, or corruption in Washington D.C.? I would think we do have a sense of bitterness over the past 15 years of Republican control of governmental policy. Even if you are a conservative or a liberal we all should be concerned over the future direction of the nation. Conservatives are always bitter especially on A.M. radio echo chambers we can hear the bitterness over social programs, liberalism, secularism, public schools, political correctness, and on it goes. As well liberal echo chambers are bitter over attacks upon the constitution, the system of checks and balances, presidential power, the fusing of church and state, the prolonged conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, the deregulation of the big business, the rusting economy, plus much, much more. Hillary in one breath screams about how bad the Bush administration has been, while berating Obama for pointing out that citizens are fed up with government as it is now. This is double speaking from both Clinton and McCain. They claim we need change, yet they also claim that people are doing just fine and are working hard. Yes we are working hard at getting by. Yes, we do need change. When Obama points out that people have no place to turn other than faith due to the fact that government has failed them, he is painted as if he is talking down to Americans. I do not think so. He is talking to Americans who agree with him. We are sick and tired of being sick and tired. Americans are sick of honest words being taken out of context to win political favor. We are sick of an EPA that has failed to keep up with health damaging pollution, a FDA that cannot keep the food supply pure, a commerce dept. and corporations that let lead toys into the market place, a government that spends like a drunken sailor, and policy that has devalued the dollar beyond recognition. We need to think hard about what politician is truly in touch with reality.
I am bitter, disgusted and offended by this administrations disregard for the separation of powers (co-equal branches of government or the system of checks and balances), their disrespect of the constitution, and the blatant disdain for the Rule of Law. I am bitter, you bet, I am bitter over the Chinese imports with toxins that will build up in my bloodstream, fat, and muscle tissue. I am bitter over the deregulation of the finance infrastructure. I am bitter over the lack of respect for scientific knowledge, and this administrations direct promotion of religion with tax dollars. I am bitter about the fact that we the people cannot get honest answers from attorney generals, generals, sec. of state, the pentagon, or any administration appointee. Is it possible that Americans can feel bitter about the last 15 years of republican control of Washington? We should, we must, and we do have the responsibility of vigilance over our government, which requires disgust over bad, illegal, un-ethical, or unjust political policy.
Are citizens bitter over current political currents, government action or lack inaction, and economic conditions? Yes. How could they not be? Conservatives are bitter over the separation of church and state, the 2nd Amendment, liberals, and any environmental laws or regulations upon business. Liberals are bitter over the lack of EPA regulations, deregulation of the market. The erosion of civil rights, due process, posse commutates, intelligent design and the erosion of scientific thought in schools, and the war by design in Iraq. Both conservatives and liberals are bitter over the economy, and the Bush administration’s mismanagement of the nation. How is it a false, out of touch, elitist, statement to say that Americans or people in Pennsylvania are upset, bitter, disenfranchised, or disgusted by their current or past governmental leadership? I would argue that it is their right to be upset. It is their patriotic duty to remain vigilant by bitterness toward bad policy and the subversion of the constitution. After the past 7 years of this administration I would turn to religion for help. God may be the only thing left once you throw out the Bill of Rights, the value of the dollar, or the thought of 4 more years of Bush dogma and policy.
Sometimes I think we have less to fear from the Military-industrial Complex than the Massive Right-wing Inferiority Complex.
At least obama didnt say san francisco had snipers waiting for people to fire at?…….oh wait a minute,that joke has been used already! never mind
Barack Obama on Rural and Working Class America in 2004
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6oGF3cyHE7M&feature=bz301
I am really staring to dislike Hillary more and more, I am staring to regret ever voting for her in the primaries. If memory serves, I think she mentioned that Sen. Obama is starting to show his true colors or something to that effect. As the days progress with this on going quest for the nomination, I am seriously being turned off by the antics from the Clinton camp. From the Bosnia fiasco, the Colombia trade deal affair, followed by “Bubba” trying to do damage control and adding to it while out on the stump. For what it’s worth, it’s actually somewhat refreshing to see that O’bama is being taken to task for his words, and not with the “guilt by association one size fits all tactic”. The Clinton camp’s reaction to Obama’s flap shows just how desparate they are-the attack dogs went out for the kill. I too am bitter and I fault him not in his delivery in no way or form, although for some it may come off as a bit too rigid. When passion and emotions come into play traveling the verbal straight and narrow becomes a task within itself. All is fair in politics and war is what I was always told. To date I can’t cosign with the way the Clinton camp has been conducting itself. Its all too Republican in my view.
The difference is political. Card isn’t looking for votes from San Francisco. Obama badly needs every vote he can squeeze out of rural Pennsylvania.
Tom, I think the more realistic thing to say by now is… Hillary badly needs a good reputation & truth in her experience across the board.
or do you think its too late?
The entire state of cal e forn nee a is a piece of crap politicly. IT; is an insult to Amerika !
I am a bit bothered by the implication that gun possession or support is a sign of bitterness, but I’m not incensed, and can’t read Obama’s mind. Either way, Obama’s words are not a big deal.
Seriously? Are liberals going to use the argument that it’s okay to insult the majority of Americans (most Americans are religious and support gun rights), because someone said “san francisco values”???
Seriously?!!
Two problems with this.
1. When someone says what Card did- they’re mainly talking about politicians. No one can deny the leadership in San Fran is nearly out of their mind- Newsom violated the law by giving out phony and illegal gay marriage certificates for heaven’s sake!
2. I can guarantee you nearly any poll taken of the general US population would show that a great majority of Americans see San Francisco as being out in the far fringe of things. You’ve got Newsom with the illegal gay marriage certificates, sexual liasons with his mistress who was the wife of his chief deputy and the insanity that followed that,IDs for illegals, etc. Then you have the board of supervisors who voted to ban the military, rotc, the navy blue angels, etc.
No one is going to deny that San Fran is like its own nation within the US.
Can the same be said of middle class workers in PA?
Card attacks the fringe left politics, and Barack attacks the working class citizenry. Apples and oranges. I really hope liberals, as a whole, have better arguments than this.
Well here’s one.
Barack Obama actually quotes scripture when he speaks drawing from his entire life spent building congregations and community churches around poor local organizations.
Just because republicans (*cough* and Hillary) say he’s elitist and insulting doesn’t make it so.
The truth is either he truly is an elitist and condescending or Barack Obama is drawing from his own poor, religious past to understand American frustration so a plan can be engaged to understand the problem and finally help America from the poor up.
Republicans hate that.
Barack Obama’s “poor religious past”? Seriously? Barack of the world traveling white mama? Barack of the private high school in Hawaii? Barack of Columbia and Harvard with the wife from Princeton? Barack who donated more to his church in one year than I make in a year? He’s poor? Seriously? Get real.
after god himself, obama is gradually becoming the number two. obama has cant say or do any wrong, the people obama is bringing to the white house can’t say or do anything wrong. are we not getting two for the price one, a leader and the true son of god.
San Francisco values are clear. If you’ve ever been there, you’d know it. And they are FAR OUTSIDE the values of the rest of the country. Its a fair target, like it or not.
Noel continues with the simplistic posts. Say in lockstep.
Card was talking about a group in San Francisco…not all of San Francisco for one….if you listen to what he said he noted the comments by OBAMA were not meant to be public. He noted that many are elitists in S.F.
NOT ALL…. ONCE AGAIN Alan you divert the ARGUMENT>…..ALAN …GROW UP
Josh…you are a good little lock stepper too my boy.
If Senator Obama is talking about the people of PA in SF…whose to say he is not talking about the people of SF behind close doors somewhere else. My concern about Senator Obama is that I know little about him and the little I do know I don’t like. I read his book and am disturbed by his drug use and his cavalier way of talking about it…which can’t be brought up in the primary. I’m disturbed about Reverend Wright (the anti-American sentiment). I’m disturbed about the whole “bitter” comments. Hillary is right…the Republicans will skewer him with his own words. Michigan/Florida…never in 40 years of voting democratic…did I think we would be the party supressing votes. I refuse to contribute to either the DNC or the Congressional Campaign…until the people of Michigan and Florida are recognized.
Early in the campaign…Obama said that Hillary’s supporters would support him but his supporters will not support her. I think he is sadly mistaken…my friends are supporting Hillary and if she is not the nominee…we will be writing her in…because we don’t stay home and we won’t vote for MC Cain.